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Midget Mansion of San Antonio Explained

Posted by David  •  Sep 25th, 2006 2:13:44 pm - Subscribe | Mood: good | Music: Midget Mansion Music

Explains my personal knowledge of Midget Mansion, located on the Northwest side of San Antonio Texas

Midget Mansion
Notice - Image above is another mansion in this area that Midget Mansion may have looked like.


So first off is it true? Well one of the long time residents of San Antonio says it was. Actually he stated before the homes location became a luxury apartment complex, he used to run for exercise through the back areas because there use to be trails. At that time Midget Mansion was abandoned, there was nothing but the home in ruin.

I will now let everyone know the real truth behind Midget Mansion and all of its surroundings as how I know it from people that I have talked to.

Where is Midget Mansion
Midget Mansion is located in San Antonio, Texas at:

Promontory Pointe
4114 Medical Dr
San Antonio, TX 78229

No Midget Mansion is NOT located at near Cha-Cha's.....and NO its not by the major retailer Lowes at:

LOWE'S OF N.W. CENTRAL SAN ANTONIO, TX #1155
7901 Callaghan Road
San Antonio, Tx 78229

Though it is true that a Mansion was located at the now Lowes location. But it was torn down many, many years ago. According to my friend who has lived here in San Antonio at the same location for the past 20 years Midget Mansion was indeed located at what is now Promontory Pointe Apartments.

He stated to me that back in the day all that was left a sum odd 20 years ago was a foundation and a small amount of structure. He stated that he use to walk on the foundation and it was rather large, mansion like.

So is Midget Mansion an Urban Legend
No it is not, there is actual cases of which Midgets actually lived at the location. Weither or not they actually commited murder and suicide is perhaps indeed an urban legend.

The story of Midget Mansion
It is said that long ago in the early 1900's a family of midgets / small people lived in a mansion. The owner a midget himself was a very wealthy business owner in downtown San Antonio Texas. He had a wife, who was also a midget and 2 children...one male and one female. The children themselves were not small, but regualar sized people.

As the story goes. The husband arrived at the home and simply murdered his wife, and two children with a shot gun. Then hung himself in a bedroom closet.

What is unknown is why he did it...or weither or not this part of the story is true or not, I suppose its up to you as the reader to believe. But what is fact, is that there was a mansion located between Medical & Donore Pl. which is again Promontory Pointe.

If you have any questions or have perhaps another side of the story I would urge you to comment below. Please create serious entries, all others will be removed.

Location of Midget Mansion
  1. Google Maps - Midget Mansion is located at 4114 Medical Dr. San Antonio, Tx.
  2. Yahoo Maps - Midget Mansion is located at 4114 Medical Dr. San Antonio, Tx.


External Links to Midget Mansion
  1. Midget Mansion on Flickr
  2. Midget Mansion
  3. Midget Mansion & School Hauntings in San Antonio
  4. Ex site for Midget Mansion




Questions?
Myself & my friend live at Spyglass Hill Condominums right next to where Midget Mansion use to be. If you have any questions, comment below. I will ask him pesronally to try and set the records straight about this.

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anonymous Says:
October 05th, 2006

are there any telling of the paranormal

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david Says:
October 11th, 2006

Not anymore from what I know of. Probably the best thing to do is ask the residents of Promontory Pointe apartments. Perhaps we can have a few people that lived there comment about it.

anonymous Says:
October 11th, 2006

I my self have been to the torn down mansion when I was younger. I remember clearly that it forked in the middle of a trail and the chimineys went far as the eye can see. Almost like it was maze like in the mansion. I'm fortunate to have witness a myth or folk tale. Thanks for letting me comment.

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david Says:
October 11th, 2006

anonymous - October 11th, 2006, yes you are indeed lucky...if you have a picture or a stenciled image we would be happy to add it to this entry. Thanks for the information! Does anyone else have anything to add?

anonymous Says:
October 18th, 2006

I remember hearing that if you would throw something into it, it would come back up

anonymous Says:
October 22nd, 2006

I read a book about San Antonio Hauntings and it said that the owner of the home like you stated had a wife (who was also a midget) and 2 normal sized kids, but that he went crazy and slit their throats and threw them in a closet. And that he later went and pulled them out of the closet cleaned them up and dressed them in nice clean clothes and then put them back in the closet. And after that he commited suicide. From the book i read it also stated that they must have still been alive when he first placed them in the closet cuz there were bloody handprints all over the inside of the closet. Just thought I'd tell about what I had read and how it differed from what you've been told.

anonymous Says:
November 05th, 2006

I remember hearing that there were " sacrifices" going on at the midget mansion. I don't no what was being sacrificed, and I don't know if it is true.

anonymous Says:
December 09th, 2006

i lived in an apartment complex near callahan and loop 410 back in 1988-1989.some of the guys i ran with[i was 17 at the time]told me of a place called midget mansion and about devil worshipping and ghosts and other wierd stuff that went on there.well,i had to find out for myself so i got my friends and made them take me there.from what i can remember it was kinda up on a hill,but there wasn't much there but some foundation,a bunch of rubble and trash.i also think i remember an old well.it was kinda of spooky,being as i was a kid,but i do remember having a feeling of being watched.we also found a couple places that you could crawl down into and there was actually tunnels under the ground.some were dirt,some were rock walled.we ended staying the night ,which none of us wanted to do,except for the wimp factor and dares,which i remember staying in a round concrete structure which was at one time some kinda pond.nothing scary tried to get us that night.but ,once again,being just kids,with it being woods around the place at that time,you hear a lot of strange noises at night.i only lived there in san antonio for a year,and have never been back since,but if i ever make it back,i would definitely like to go check it out again.i am now 35.

anonymous Says:
January 31st, 2007

Growing up we used to live in the Crossing Apts (what is now Sage Crossing).

My cousins & I would go to Midget Mansion all the time. Jumped a fence & walked up the hill to what was left...as mentioned mostly foundation with a bunch of trash.

We would spend hours up there sifting through all of the buildings. There were what seemed to be servants quarters past & behind the main foundation. We never found anything that resembled worshiping of satan or anything like that.

We did go up there one time and as we got to the top of the staircase (that I assume used lead to the front porch)...we spotted two people in some type of protective gear (the kind you see fireman wearing when the is toxic danger) with some hand held meters of some kind & 2 dobermans. The dogs saw the bunch of yes & started to chase us. You never saw 8 mexican kids run so fast screaming & pryaing we didn't get chewed up by some dogs.

That was the last time we went up there. At the time we were all in our late teens we are all at or approaching 40 now.

anonymous Says:
March 08th, 2007

yep.i remember midget mansion myself.my friends and i used to go there in my teen years late at night..just to see if there were any midgets..or ghosts by chance..i wish it was still around..i would have liked for my kids to have experienced it.just as the comment from anonymus stated on dec 10th 2006.i remember it just like that.i thought the place still existed.i miss that place though..but at least we have the memory remaining.i too am 35 yrs.old now.boy, i wish i could see it now like it was back in da day.

anonymous Says:
March 30th, 2007

I remember that place when I was young. I use to live off Data point. they would say only guys that were fast could run up to the hill. and they would get killed if they were caught. Supposedly there was a small house next to the mansion. that's were the midgets actually stayed until a girl got tired of hearing that only guys that were fast could actually make it. so, she ran up there and burned the small house next to the mansion. all the midgets died and for some unknown reason....so did she. At the time, only rich people lived on the hill. They would claim reports of seeing a young girl walking around the mansion. at that time the mansion was vacant. a couple of years went by. Then a bunch of devil worshipping teenagers started staying at the mansion. They were always sacrificing animals. all the residents up on the hill would complain of hearing animal screams and eerie sounds but, when the cops would go to the house, there would be no one there. after awhile the cops got tired of responding to the calls so they stop going to the mansion. that;s when things got bad. They said the teenagers who were going there got really into killing and sacrificing. they started doing it to each other. But, after awhile the cops finally went up there again after reports of a foul smell. i don't remember how many bodies were discovered. they said there was blood all over the walls. Bodies were in pieces. most were run away teenagers. Some kids were arrested in connection of this. they said they were possessed. They would hear voices. They claim off seeing midgets. a whole bunch of stuff. So that's when the mansion was about to be torn down but, A@W Root Beer wanted the house for a commercial so they did. I saw the commercial but, nothing eerie. Then the house was torn down. There is a lot of stories to midget mansion. but, in truth...no one really knows!

brenda_g Says:
March 30th, 2007

I remember that place when I was young. I use to live off Data point. they would say only guys that were fast could run up to the hill. and they would get killed if they were caught. Supposedly there was a small house next to the mansion. that's were the midgets actually stayed until a girl got tired of hearing that only guys that were fast could actually make it. so, she ran up there and burned the small house next to the mansion. all the midgets died and for some unknown reason....so did she. At the time, only rich people lived on the hill. They would claim reports of seeing a young girl walking around the mansion. at that time the mansion was vacant. a couple of years went by. Then a bunch of devil worshipping teenagers started staying at the mansion. They were always sacrificing animals. all the residents up on the hill would complain of hearing animal screams and eerie sounds but, when the cops would go to the house, there would be no one there. after awhile the cops got tired of responding to the calls so they stop going to the mansion. that;s when things got bad. They said the teenagers who were going there got really into killing and sacrificing. they started doing it to each other. But, after awhile the cops finally went up there again after reports of a foul smell. i don't remember how many bodies were discovered. they said there was blood all over the walls. Bodies were in pieces. most were run away teenagers. Some kids were arrested in connection of this. they said they were possessed. They would hear voices. They claim off seeing midgets. a whole bunch of stuff. So that's when the mansion was about to be torn down but, A@W Root Beer wanted the house for a commercial so they did. I saw the commercial but, nothing eerie. Then the house was torn down. There is a lot of stories to midget mansion. but, in truth...no one really knows! -brenda

anonymous Says:
May 09th, 2007

Had alot of good times at Midget Mansion. Once, me and my friends were about to pay homage to the midgets by smoking some weed, when we heard some people at the bottom of the hill. Since we often ran into other groups of people out there for the same reason we were we thought it was just another group of teenagers. So a couple of my buddies go barrelling down the hill to the surronding trees in an attempt to hide and mess with the people as they made there way up by making growling and making other generally spooky noises. My other friend begins the ritual of crafting a fattie as we all sit around him. Nobody seemed to notice that our friends weren't sounding like the hounds of hell or that the people weren't making any more noise either. As soon as my friend finishes doing what he did best and we start making bird noises that will signal to our friends that it is time a flashlight flicks on! There were two police officers standing right next to us! No wonder our friends didn't unleash the beast. No wonder the other people didn't make any noises after starting up the hill! No wonder our friends stayed hiding in the woods! Those two cops managed to sneak right up on us, I don't know how anyone didn't see them since we were all sitting in a nearly complete circle and every view was covered, but they didn't! Luckily my friend doing the rolling had his back directly facing the cops and he slowly stood up and threw the j down and stood on it. The cops must have heard our friends somewhere down the hill because the first thing they said is for us to call them out of the woods. We start hollering their names and they pop out of three foot tall grass not 30 feet from us! I guess they went into commando mode when seen the cops or thought they were ninjas. Whatever the case it caused the cops to almost draw their guns. They asked us some questions then told us to leave and if the caught us out there again they would arrest us. We walked away and the cops stayed. As soon as we turned the corner and were out of sight we ran...fast! Anyway, that is one of many midget mansion stories from my past. I hope you enjoyed it.

anonymous Says:
June 29th, 2007

When i was younger i used to go up there, but when i went the house had been leveled and the pool was filled in. A freind of my brothers was arrested there before they filled in the pool for satanic rituals, so i know that DID take place. As far any evil or spirits running amok on the property i dont think so, i knew a girl who lived at promentary point for 2 years and i stayed over alot (she was a good cook) and nothing ever happen. Only starge thing that happen to me was, about 1990 i went up there with a freind and as we were walking about the circular driveway you could hear footsteps in the leafs on the ground and when you stopped it stopped. it was freaky. But it was a neat experience.

anonymous Says:
June 30th, 2007

well i live in san antonio but i've never been there but wat i heard is dat if u go there midgets thrash ur car wit plates and rocks and other stuff well idk if its true but im jus letting everyone know

anonymous Says:
July 10th, 2007

what about the midget mansion that supposedly existed on the south side near stinson air field?

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david Says:
July 10th, 2007

Ive never heard of it, can anyone confirm this claim for anonymous July 10th 2007?

anonymous Says:
July 21st, 2007

I usd to work at Promontory Pointe Apartments and weird stuff happend. If you don't belive go and ask the new Leasing Agents.

anonymous Says:
September 03rd, 2007

yea it's true.....i just wish the house was still there so i could buy it....its part of san antonio history...

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david Says:
September 03rd, 2007

I just linked some pictures of the mansion to my entry. They are located on my Flickr profile. Keep in mind that these pictures are not of midget mansion, but are of a mansion that is near Spyglass Hill and Promontory Pointe.

anonymous Says:
September 18th, 2007

i lived next to midget mansion in '83 - it was a great old house. I remember the pool being full of sludge and the 'servent's quarters' off beyond the trees just a bit. And I remember seeing the tunnels, and people used to use rope to be able to find their way out. Saw the rope, went home. :0)

anonymous Says:
September 25th, 2007

My brother used to tell me stories about the Midget mansion.. but I don't know how true they were.. since he's no longer with us.. I can't ask.. but I remember him taking me to this place and the mansion was no longer there, but just a huge piece of slab. Anyhow.. we drove in.. I remember a curving drive way.. when we made it halfway in.. It started to feel really creepy almost like we were being watch and if we didin't leave immediately something would happen.. I remember feeling a horrified fear and begged my brother to please leave. I must have been about 13 and he was 22. I had never really researched it as to what happened there.. but I know I never wanted to go back .. it scared the heebeegeebees out of me.

anonymous Says:
September 26th, 2007

Midget Mansion was not on medical drive!It was on Vance-Jackson,where Wal-mart is now.It did Not burn down.Nobody killed themselves in it either.It was built by my great grandfather Gillespie.He was only 4ft-6in tall,so it was plenty big enough for him.It looked nothing like your picture either.I have pics of it with my family out in the yard at a picnic table.It was torn down(bulldozed) after my uncles sold the land to Wal-mart Inc.Maybe you have heard of Gillespie Ford.Who do you think started it?Urban legends are made up by fools who have nothing better to do with their time.My great Grandfather's house was not haunted either.If people would look up old court records,they would find out how foolish urban legends are.I don't like my family's name to be stained by stupidity.Brian Gillespie

anonymous Says:
September 27th, 2007

Ive never heard of a migget mansion on vance-jackson. Thats a new one to me.

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david Says:
September 27th, 2007

Yea, I believe someone told you of a false story. A Mansion of Vance Jackson? Thats like a River Center Mall in Pleasington Texas. happy.gif

anonymous Says:
September 29th, 2007

Been there many a time in the eary 80's. That Gillespie post is bogus. Had many interesting experiences there. Here are a couple.
Went hiking up there from the back side just up from the 7 eleven with my brother and friend. We were confronted by a caretaker at gunpoint! I kid you not. He had a shotgun and made us hold up our hands and the whole bit. He complained about all the vandalism from kids in the area and made us promise to never come back. Of course we did go back anyway. I don't know who this guy was but I suspect we just happened upon him on a day when he was checking on the property. Never saw him again.
Another time a few years later some high school friends and I were driving around killing time before going to the movies when we drove through the gate. The place had a big circle drived that would take you a half minute or so to go around. By the time we had circled around back to the gate the exit had been blocked by big tree limbs. Well we had been drinking and decided to give whoever did this a scare themselves so we got out yelling and got a baseball bat out of the trunk and went running through the trees screaming like wild men. Oh to be young, drunk and stupid.
I can confirm that there was a sludge filled pool in the back. Also there was alot of devil worshiping symbolism painted about. Pentagrams and stuff like that. We had always heard about cults going up there.
One more legend I heard about the place and haven't seen mentioned is that supposedly there were riches buriied in there somewhere.
Hope this sheds some light.

anonymous Says:
October 02nd, 2007

I used to live at Bluffcreek apartments around 1982. We used to go up to the mansion when the structure was still there. Pretty much a burnt out shell. I remember the black and white checkered driveway. We would walk up the hill from the backside and pause at the rock wall about 3/4 the way up the hill. At the time we would enter through the garage and walk into a small hall that ended at a dumbwaiter with a staircase to the right that would lead up into the building. Nothing really scary about it except the legends. There were a few toilets laying about that were in fact no more than maybe a foot high from the base to the top of the bowl. The doorknobs on the front doors as well as the few remaining doors were set about half as high as what is standard now.

The pool was sludge filled with lots of graffiti. There was a vacation style trailer on the property which was supposed to house a caretaker of the land who would chase you off the property if he saw you, but we never saw him or him us.

The other mansion in the area which is where Lowes is now was at the time the headquarters for Bartlett Cocke construction. Both long gone in the annals of time.

anonymous Says:
October 11th, 2007

i live in san antonio and i never knew about this mansion...but i just moved out of a haunted house a few months ago, is not a famous house or anything but it for SURE is haunted and i know because i lived there. The house is on camp bullis rd. right next to the new shopping center the RIM, near Cantera mall. The house is right next to a military base. When my family and i moved there our neighbor told us a few stories about the house but since the house was in a huge lanndscape my parents still decided to move in. outside the house there is a big tree with a small tree house, which supposubly two kids were playing on and one of them fell off hitting his head on a rock and died. they buried the little kid right there near the tree. Now anyone who tries to get in the tree house is pushed away (the little kid wont let you get on it). One day i decided to make a movie night at my house at night then i started telling my friends about all the stories about the house, then we went outside and tried to get in the tree house but no one could get on...i tought my friends where just playing around trying to scare each other but when i myself tried to get on it my hands kept on slipping off (which is weird because it was non slippery wood) like something was taking my hands off, then when i finally got a grip when i tried to push myself up my legs felt super heavy and i just couldnt get on! we all got really scared but still decided to go around the house to another haunted place. outside the house there is a little bridge where a military car or something like that got stuck a couple of years ago (when the bridge was bigger and the lake was way deeper) some soldiers died there. and at night you can hear moans and voices. i hated staying home by myself in that house specially because it was surrounded by alot of trees and had huge windows all around the house. so yeah i think people should go over and check out the tree house (and the tomb where the little kid was buried, its still there and it has a name and a date and everything!)...its pretty creepy, all my friends are witnesses that the tree house story is TRUE!

anonymous Says:
October 14th, 2007

I THOUGTH THERE WERE NO STAIRS AT THE MANSION SO THE MIDGETS WOULDNT ESCAPE AND THAT THE PARENTS WERE EVIL AND WOULD LOCK THE KIDS AWAY IN THEIR ROOMS.... I DUNNO .. ANYONE HAVE SOMTHING TO DIFFER PLS, CMNT BACK

anonymous Says:
October 17th, 2007

Reading all those posts were interesting. I went to the mansion in the years of 1973 thru 1975 while in high school. Just a bunch of kids driving around partying, trying to see if we could get a glimpse of the "midgets". One time we stopped and some of the guys started up the drive (I think there was a chain roping it off) and we heard a sound and they turned to run back to the car. One of them fell and cut his hand on the beer bottle he was holding and we had to drive quick to a Stop-n-Go or Mr. M's store and get something to stop the bleeding. Teens from the 70's know of the "Midget Mansion", the "Stone Bull" and the "Pool"........

anonymous Says:
October 18th, 2007

There were two places we would go to when I was in high school. One was Midget Mansion, which is in the area where Promentory Pointe is now. We would park on the street that Lindy's is on, and go up the hill. When we went, in the early 80's, there was only the foundation left, not a house, and there was lots of graffiti and what looked like satanic -type markings, and tons of trash, like beer bottles and such. The other place was a house off of the access road of IH-10 and Vance Jackson, in an area past where the Bill Miller's is now. There was a long, long driveway, and the house was still there, but in ruin. There was a staircase you could climb, and rooms you could still roam around in, but it was very dangerous. People would hang out there and drink, until the police would come and chase us all out. I believe that the house was even used as a Haunted House one Halloween. It has since been demolished and a bank is there, and Walmart is behind where the house was located.

anonymous Says:
October 24th, 2007

My sister and I used to go there in the late 70s, early 80's and the creepy garage/play area by the swimming pool is where we were always the most creeped out. It was like you were being watched.
Wasn't the manson near another haunt... Black Swan Lake?

anonymous Says:
October 28th, 2007

I went to both places around 1980-1983. The one off Vance Jackson was pretty large, and you could go upstairs but had to be pretty careful because it was all torn up and there were holes in the floor. I heard it used to be a restaurant, but that could be wrong. Maybe this is the home that was in the Gillespie family? But we didn't consider that one to be Midget Mansion... I never knew a name for it... it was just a cool place to go party. I'm pretty sure it's where the SACU branch is now. As far as Midget Mansion, when I went it was pretty much gone, just a foundation. People got all freaked out when they went there but I just thought it was funny. We used to take girls up there and get them all scared, but I never actually witnessed anything out of the ordinary. It was definitely where the Promontary Pointe apartments are now. I grew up just on the other side of I-10 and would walk over there sometimes. I'm 42 now.

anonymous Says:
November 02nd, 2007

your talking about same place. it was near chachas and loews and Near where your saying it was where the nice apartments are now at the top of the hill. I went there all the time. it was nearly a full structure at first than fire after fire finally brouht it down.

anonymous Says:
November 02nd, 2007

using your map link it was at the intersection of tupelo and donore. all that land at the elbow in the road was midget mansion. god i miss it.

anonymous Says:
November 28th, 2007

I had an opportunity to enter Midget Mansion in 1981 and '82. It had a basement(cellar), dumbwaiter(or elevator), pool in the back, 2 stories, large front entrance w/ steps. This gets me; I saw short toliets and lowered door knobs. Its now the Promontory Pointe Apartments. Where the tennis court is at the very back, that would put you SE of the front entrance to where the mansion once stood.
The other mansion off vance jackson(was not the midget mansion) was what was once the GECU haunted house. After that it was destroyed. I was there in 1981 the house was in bad shape the second floor had holes. It was a drive to the back to get to it but was a fun place to hang out until word got out and was vandallized to total destruction.

anonymous Says:
December 07th, 2007

Wow, this brings back some memories! I remember my girlfriend and some of her friends took me to this weird place in '79 or '80. I vividly remember us all drinking and driving around and then deciding to go to Midget Mansion. I remember cars parking along the street and then climbing up a hill to the house. The street was pretty dark and the moon was shining pretty bright. It was a very surreal and freaky place. I remember there bing lots of other groups of kids running around at the same time...trying to scare each other and running in to each other....smoking and drinking. There was definately an upstairs, pool, and separate house at the back. The place was huge, with numerous rooms and unusual features...and littered with bottles and all kinds of graffiti. I seem to remember there was a sense of urgency to quickly go through the thing and get out before you got caught....everyone else seemed to be in the same mode. It was a wonderful time to be young and like some of the other posters, I'd give anything to see it again, though I'm sure it could never live up to our youthful memories. Thanks for the memories, Jen!

anonymous Says:
December 08th, 2007

the place was actually a party spot back in the 80s. the tunnels, pool, and servant buildings are all true. ive been there many times with girlfriends, cousins, and friends. we used to have to hide from cops in the statue holes in the front steps leading into the fields. we would make bongs from the bamboo that grew in that field. 40 years old now, funny how people are still intrested in the mansion and the stories. Wurzbach Manor Teen-80s

anonymous Says:
December 23rd, 2007

This is great seeing all these comments. When I tell people of Munchkin Mansion, they always think I am pulling their leg. It sounds like such crap! But it's not. Most of what I've read here jives with my memories ( Get rid of the Gillespie one,, it IS total crap). Here's what I can tell ya.
I went a few times back in the early 80 when I was a new teenager. My friends and I would have our parents drop us off at the Theater, back when it was Northwest 10, then we would hike it on over to the Mansion.
When I first went there, it was still relatively intact. It was just the roof that had been burnt away. Rumor had it that the fire was started by some stoners on accident. And it is true that everything seemed built for midgets, tiny stairs, tiny toilets, short door knobs, even, and this doesn't make a lot of sense but it's true, I remember the garage door being really, really short, like for a midget mobile. The garage opened to the basement, that was really dark and creepy. I remember the elevator shaft was about the only source of light as the shaft went all the way up to the burnt out roof ( I don't think it was a dummy waiter. It was pretty big). I remember the pool was almost totally empty 'cept for a few feet of sludge. The steps there too were really tiny. There was no furniture anywhere in the house. It was only a few weeks later, maybe a few months, that the place was on the news for satanic sacrifice of animals, cats I think it was. I remember the images on the TV, the satanic spray paint etc. I remember clearly some expert saying that the whoever did this did not really know what they were doing, and were probably not real satanists. The bad press was enough for the city though. Shortly after they demolished the place. I went back a couple of times, but by then it was just a foundation and a memory, a really, really cool memory. There just aren't any places like that anymore.
Mario Foxbaker

anonymous Says:
December 31st, 2007

Its dwarfs.

anonymous Says:
January 06th, 2008

I was about8 years old at this time and i can remenber going to a place like this with my best brother - in- law he took me and my two other sister god rest his soul he died soon after that trip. I know that we went up a hill and he told us just to be very quiet because we were not suppose to be there any ways I get a chill just talking about it . we past a small house and then another house till we saw a very small lady hold a tiny baby and she looked very upset at us being there the house was at least three feets tall so the lady was even smaller and imagine the baby .To me was a very scary things to see because i was from a small town that even now it is pop.1297 my sister gloria took apicture of the lady and then that when every thing went justlike if the devil had been loose a man or a boy came out after us i mean he was as small as the lady.he eas screaming loud at us and we just kept running it was so long ago that the cameras that were in use and new at the time are the ones that you pull out and wait for the picture to develop i will never forget because i have a scar on my left leg where the fence that we all cross inbeded in me .i talk to my sister gloria because she is the only other person that is still alife my second sister diedat about 6 years later . Iam only pointing it out because their is only myself and gloria that can talk about but the last time i told her about the miget mansion she claim to tell me like what are you talking about. I forgot to tell you that as god as my wittness she lost her whole family her son that was ony 6 months old her other son that was 2 years old and her other daughter at the age of 3years old and last but hurt all the same 13 years later her sonby this time was 18years old she alway tries to avoid the questions I ask her do you think it had to do with the picture she took you see thier were other houses but again it was one of those camera yhat you had to pull and when we got chase off that was the only one she got.ooooooooooooooooohhh!

anonymous Says:
January 23rd, 2008

i also lived off callahan and loop 410 in 1994-95 and heard of the local "legend " of midget mansion. im sure the story has changed a million times since its inception, but the version i was told was of a mansion where drug dealers resided and had a fatal shootout with law enforcement, who in turn, burned the place to the ground!
anyways, the location of the place i am referring to is indeed across from CHA-CHOS (NOT CHA-CHAS) down a hill and the entrance is off to the right. the night my friends and i were gonna "visit" the location we approached an entrance where the chain link fence appeared as if it had been ripped open. there were various symbols spray painted on the road in front of the entrance, some appearing to be cultlike in appearence. anyways we made the sudden decision we didn't wanna visit here after all and upon returning home we were harassed and yelled at by a motorist and his/her companions as we walked. the people yelled "go home, you don't belong here!" or something to that effect. we took their advice and got the hell outta there. apparently there is something to the rumor that there was some kind of gathering spot there for satanists or weirdos b/c you(david) and a few other people on this site have mentioned this exact location. i would appreciate any further info you may have on this particular spot. and on a further note, i was told of tunnels in this area where satanists, weirdos, whatever have you did go to gather.

anonymous Says:
February 07th, 2008

I am not from San Antonio. however my husband is. we have been doing alot of research on the mansion. i have been told everything that two teenagers were killed in the mid 80's and a year later a news team was there to do a remember when story- and they experienced some interesting events. from what i was told by my husband. he said that there were statues all the way around this house. he was just a kid when he went out there. he thinks that it was a school field trip. or one of his family members took him. i was told that the land once belonged to George Strait. And when they were clearing the land that is when they found this mansion. The san antonio historical society found out about it, they took the land from him. they then made it into the Midget Mansion Museum. There are again so many variations of this story. But what i understand that there is something there. I am not sure what it is. but my husband have been ivestigating different spots in the San Antonio area for some time now. And what we are doing is getting actual facts from fiction. But what we know is that this land here in San Antonio is very old with alot of history. but from what i have found out is that from every myth - there is some truth to every story that has been told through the generations. thank you for letting me add my comment.

anonymous Says:
March 02nd, 2008

i'm doing research on a paper for this.. does anyone have any record of interviews of people who were around the time of the killing(s)?

anonymous Says:
March 10th, 2008

About 20 years ago I remember going to the midget mansion, on a dare.

I can remember there was a very large vacant swimming pool and yes of course a large home with many rooms.

I recall entering thru the broken window of one of the bathrooms and it was indeed a midget type set up, everything was smaller closer to the ground.

It was quite scary and I didnt spend much time inside.

And that was the extent of my midget mansion experience.

anonymous Says:
March 11th, 2008

Some friends and I use to go to Midget Mansion to hang out and drink.We would go there almost every other weekend back in 1986 (I think). I remember there was an empty pool and a poolhouse. There were names of local bands written all over the bottom of the pool. Such as:Scrotum nose-dive,F.I.F.H.,ETC..I remember there were what we would call traps.They were deep holes in the ground covered over by brush.I remember the fork in the road.
The teenagers that were arrested there at Midget Mansion at that time,were written about in the newspaper as being satanic worshippers,and sacrificing animals. Well, that was a bunch of "B.S." made up by whoever wrote that story . I should know, I was one of the teenagers arrested. All we were doing was hanging out and drinking by the empty pool,when the police came out of the bushes and arrested us all ! They kept asking what kind of a cult we belonged to ? Because we happened to be dressed in black and some of us wearing t-shirts bearing names and pictures of punk rock bands.

anonymous Says:
March 31st, 2008

I live here at promontory pointe now, and strange things always seem to happen. Radios and TVs turning off and on.....crazy noises from time to time. Buddy of mine thats visiting from out of town claims he saw a small dark figure; he had no idea about the mansion(had to show him this site so he could belive me). I myself have seen things but play it off . I have a bunch of friends that live in the complex and they all pretty much say the same as me; its every now and then that it happens. But regardless its pretty creepy stuff !!

anonymous Says:
April 07th, 2008

I used to work a promentory pointe,the cleaning ladies always told stories of hearing things and a radio turning on.I only heard a door slam closed in a vacant apartment,but it could have been anything,I never thought it was something paranormal but who knows?

anonymous Says:
April 10th, 2008

Back in the late 80's me and some friends went up to midget mansion. As we were walking we would hear footsteps as if something was following us. We also heard all kinds of weird sounds. Creepy sounds. We also found a passage way under the stairs. You could stand under the platform where the stairs were, when you look up there was a 2 x 2 opening. We crawled up in there and there were two more openings, one to the right and another one to the left. We decided to go back the next day with some rope and flashlights. We started to go down the right side. It was about a foot high and about 3 feet wide. It was going down at an angle. Our flashlights just quit working, so my friend used his lighter. His lighter only came on for a few seconds. Enough time for us to see a hook about 2 inches away from his neck with jinxed written above it. The rope broke. When we got him out of there, he said it was about an 8 x 8 rock room and that there were bones, lots of them. Whatever happened down there in that room scared him so bad that he will not talk about it up to this day. We also found tunnels. One tunnel we found started out the height of a normal size person. As we continued to walk through the tunnel, it would get smaller. We finally came to a small door. In front of the door we saw a few old burnt masks, and smeared blood (or what looked like blood) on the walls. We were too freaked out to open the door. We decided to leave. Once we crawled over the rock wall towards the end of the property we heard an evil giggle that echoed all over the hill as if it were in surround. I never went back!!!!!!!

anonymous Says:
April 15th, 2008

I know im a little late but here is my encounter with the little people. About 2 weeks ago I was staying my buddies place @ Promontory Pointe building 1. It was about noon when he left to class and I stayed behind sleeping after a nite of partying. As I was taking care of busniess on the Crapper I heard someone messing with the door knob and heard a door open. I called out for my friend but got no answer. I played it off. A few minutes later I was brushing my teeth when I heard the same noise again. I opened the door the bath room to see who it was...still nothing..again I played it off. As I leaned into the sink to wash my face I saw a small figure out of the corner of my eye. I looked again but saw nothing. I got some crazy chills after that and felt uncomfortable. Later as I mentioned it to my friend, he told me he story of the Mansion. It sounded like complete BS so I did some reserch and found this web site. He also said one day he was watching TV with his dog, when she started growling at nothing and got violent as she eyeballed sumthing that seemed to move cross the livingroom. Another friends would tell me that his alarm clock would sound off @ 11 pm a few times a week and or that he would come home to find the radio on. Shit I wonder what we were smoking that day...

anonymous Says:
April 16th, 2008

the only thing i heard bout midget mansion is that a father killed his kids and that if you got near where the house used to be that rocks would throw themselves at you and that it was the kids doing it

anonymous Says:
May 10th, 2008

This is great. I unfortunately never got to go to the mansion but knew where it was from my brother and for sure it was where Prom Point is now. His experience and I still remember it to this day. He and his friends went out there, probably in 1985. They came home with wild looks in their eyes. Either the caretaker or vagarant with a shotgun confronted them, had them spread eagle on the ground and threatened to kill them if theu returned. He went as far as to cock the rifle and put it in one of their faces. They never went back. I tell you, San Antonio rocks when it comes to folklore. The ghost tracks, donkey lady, midget manision. I grew up on all these stories. Thanks for letting me share.

anonymous Says:
June 02nd, 2008

i used to live in the bluffcreek apts. (different name now) but a group of us (10 friends or so) used to go up there quite often. we were young and knew all the myths. we used to make weapons, blow-guns, take swords and bb guns (kid stuff) for protection. there was a bamboo forrest, cobble stoned drive way (which did fork around the property). there really were tunnels and outdoor concrete steps. the house was a pile of rubble. the pool house area was scary, there was satanic writing on the walls. it was kinda cool. ofcourse, like everything when youre young, it got kinda old. but still a cool memory. if anybody has questions, they can email me at POLOMAN444@HOTMAIL.COM

anonymous Says:
June 02nd, 2008

cool

anonymous Says:
June 02nd, 2008

im only ten but today me and my friends were talking about it today and my friends scared the pooh out of me but now i know they were over exadurating

anonymous Says:
June 04th, 2008

Back in the late 80's a good friend lived at the Aspen Village Condos on Medical Dr. A large group of us (Former Laredoans) who lived in the medical center area at the time would gather at the condo for a night of drinking and smoking. After several hours of partying we would run across the street and up the hill (with our ice chest in tow) to what was left of the Midget Mansion. We used to hear other all types of strange noises and would assume that there were also other people rustling around up there as well. We would see Satanic symbols painted in what looked like blood on grottos and parts of the retaining walls around the property. Eventually the strange noises would get too intense and we would all run down the hill laughing and yelling at the same time. The version of the mansion's history that we heard involved an aristocratic family with a dark secret. They were into the occult and S & M and they captured and enslaved some midgets and would torture them for their own pleasure and force them participate in satanic rituals. I'm sure that version is not true, but we used to get a big kick out of that story.

anonymous Says:
June 13th, 2008

I lived at Wurzbach Manor back in 86-88 and was one of the head banger alleged Satan worshiping teenagers. Me and my crew used to get high and trip acid and go in search of all things supernatural. I saw the entrance to the tunnels under the stairs and we found some cheesy pseduo gold statues and thought we were rich for about 5 minuets.there were lots of rumors little facts, the place was creepy/eerie. Me and my buddy actully got chased by some douche bag in a van who it seemed was truly hell bent on running us over. I did have some good times up on that hill but never saw a ghost, midget sized or other. My name is Mark and heres a list of some of those buds from back in the day....Johnny, Hector, Lysa, Danny, Chris, Mellisa, Vicki, Sally, Javier, Maria, Carrie...this is just to name a few. If any of you remember this crew and are intrested drop me a line. I live in Dallas these days and have been planning a trip down that way this summer. Anywho I can be reached at darthhartman21@yahoo.com and would like to here from any of yous guys. Love, peace and a bucket of chicken grease.

anonymous Says:
July 01st, 2008

this shit is probly fake

anonymous Says:
July 02nd, 2008

Mark, Don't remember you! Do you remember Russ, Danny, Kenny, Trey, Maggie, Jason, Tammy, Diane, Adrian, Brian, Stacy, Casey, Eloy, Renee, LIL Bob, Roy?

anonymous Says:
July 05th, 2008

i have heard that he did kill his wife but let his kids die in a closet. i have also heard that if you go to the Midget Mansion ,and you go to the closet that the children died in, you can heare the kids scratching at the door trying to get out.

anonymous Says:
July 08th, 2008

HEY...Is This Place Secure????......can people go in And Check It Out?????

anonymous Says:
July 09th, 2008

Its not there anymore. tore it all down to build promentary pointe apartments..

anonymous Says:
July 22nd, 2008

UMMM...I live @ Prometory Pointe. I do belive in spirits & all,but not cause im spanish but because I have lived and seen spirits before. I could tell you stories that would freak you out... They are all true. As far as where I stay NOW...Im wondering if it is true. I have had some stange things happen around here as though kids were trying to play around with me. However, I just ignore it, Then it goes away. If you show them fear then they will keep coming back.

anonymous Says:
July 23rd, 2008

I went to Midget mansion back in the 80's but after it was torn down. My older brother and his friends used to go when it was still standing. I remember having to run up the hill and there were steps of concrete. we would tell our mom we were going to stay the night at our friends apartments,"I think the greens", and then we'd stay the night at midget mansion. I remember there being a big fireplace that was left standing. There was lots of white power stuff written on it and of course some pentagrams. We lit a fire in the fireplace to keep warm and after a while a helicopter came "reeealy" low on us. we all scrambled to the woods and were scared. the helicopter left eventually. I think they were just checking on the smoke. We thought we saw some red eyes in the woods but we were kids so who knows...It did feel like we were being watched though. Anyone ever know anyone named Gabriel Alvarado,George and Pat AKA sir cumalot? Travis or belva kuhn? Holmes highscool or patneff? I lived at twin oaks apartments. Roger or mike?

anonymous Says:
September 12th, 2008

I remember the midget mansion. It was a really nice place. Also, the mansion where Lowe's is now. Sad that nice places like this need to be bulldozed. What a bummer! I went to John Jay High School in the 80s.

anonymous Says:
September 18th, 2008

i heard that when you would step into midget mansion that little people come out of no where with axes and chop your legs off from the knees

anonymous Says:
September 24th, 2008

I too grew up around the area. I lived with my family in Wurzbach Manor Apts back in 86. My friends and I used to frequent the place a whole lot. Most of the time we would just rummage around the area and even go through the drainage tunnels at the foot of the hill. The place as I remember it would have a trail at the foot of the hill by Stop N Go. We would follow the trail up until we saw the small brick wall that had the message "all who pass will meet their death" or something like that. Then it was on to the circular driveway and then the stairway and then the foundation. From memory I can see the foundation with one chimney stack to the right, the pool and pool house to the left, but never any other structures on the immediate grounds. I read some of the blogs and do also remember several tunnels and some "hiding " spots like the one that was by the pool under the stone arch way. You had to climb up the arch way into an opening that led in to directions to the internal arch, both sides had benches with candles and all sorts of writing, probably just graffiti. The pool itself was awash with all sorts of symbols and run of the mill graffiti too. I remember a bunch of other stuff too, nothing too odd, the place had been deserted long ago and by that time contaminated by curious people like us. I do not know much about the place being haunted or having any powers of any kind, but I will tell you that we did run into several weird experiences. the first and most outstanding is when a lot of us were just looking around on the driveway, just rummaging. When all of a sudden for no reason, I was standing over a soda can, I had not noticed at the time; and I was talking to my brother, the soda can shot straight through my legs across the driveway behind me. no noise, just like someone kicked the thing, but no one kicked it. The second thing was finding a shack not far from the driveway and noticing someone or thing standing in the window with what looked like a rifle, as we got closer we noticed that the shack was empty, but then suddenly heard shots, faint but clear enough to scare the crap out of all of us...we did run. The last was the dobermans, the same group of us spotted two dobermans that seemed to be released after us, we ran down the hill and never went back. I did visit yet again before Promontory Pointe was built, the same old foundation, pool and everything else was still there, this time it was night. That visit was the last time I went, it was with a group and we basically were trespassing and knew it because we were spotted by a guy with a flashlight who told us we were...needless to say, we ran our asses out of there to never return. I am 32 now.

JAM

anonymous Says:
September 24th, 2008

i do remember midget mansion , i was also a young teen and my friends and i would go there because it was sapposed to be haunted . we were told if you run through there at night the ghost midgets would try and grab you by your legs !! i was scared!! i do remember it being hilly and vacant mostly dirt , it had an eerie feeling though . I do miss all the fun times i am turning 30 tomorrow ! oh we also went to the ghost tracks and some chinese cemetary i think?? it has been along time since well it was nice lookin back i actually wouldn'y mind doing those things again for thrills.

anonymous Says:
October 01st, 2008

my sister used to work at promontory pointe as a leasing agent. she told me that she actually saw a ghost of a little person there while she was walking the property before she left to go home, and after that experience she started noticing a lot of weird things going on when she was alone, and that is why she quit working there.

anonymous Says:
October 18th, 2008

Me and my roommate are actually moving to promintory pointe on december 8 and neither of us are very supersitious but I have to admit I am a little freaked out by all these stories of "the midget mansion"... I will have to check back after we have moved in and let you know if we see witness anything unusual!

anonymous Says:
October 18th, 2008

i used to go to the mansion what was left of it. This was years ago, when i was in middle school. bout 92-93. there wasnt much to it , it was all graffitied up, people used to go party, and drink, there all the time. ther were trails, a preety big foundation and several parts to the mansion. if i knew it was going to be gone or developed i should of takin pics, damn i wish i would of, with the net in all, i had many good times there, and of all the times ive been ther ,not once was ther anything that spooked me. all in all from what i know the story is true. the mansion may be gone but i still have my memories........ ahhhh...the good times!!!!!!

anonymous Says:
October 31st, 2008

i find it funny that you people think you know what you are talking about

i saw it myself, not heard about, i have lived here for almost 40 years
it was condemed for many years
i remember sneaking in the fence back then...
all i read is wild fantasies of people going to a place and they never REALLY did

anonymous Says:
November 20th, 2008

I live there now, freaking awesome. I love midgets. Seriously though, nothing creepy. My fiance feels she is being watched every night (didn't know about this) and our cat cries. But nothing creepy...

anonymous Says:
November 21st, 2008

Egads! I never knew of the story mentioned above! (the midget husband killing his family and then himself.) I never heard of the place called Midget Mansion, either.. it was always called Munchkin Mansion. I went there probably 8-10x during the late 70s (perhaps even 1980 or so, too). It was a huge thrill to run low and fast across that open grassway so as not to be spotted by the caretakers who lived in a small house by the main property (or what was left of it). I recall seeing ruins caused by fire. Yes, we went up into the attic and it was SO SCARY every single time, yet we went back! It genuinely had an aura of evil to it, and I am not the type to fall into that talk very easily. It just had this creepy feeling. Maybe because we were alone in this large and very unsafe (falling apart) building and the fact that we did not know of its history made it even more mysterious and frightening. That staircase was quite grand, if I recall correctly. Once the caretakers began setting the dogs out when ppl were spotted, I decided (miss girlscout lol) that if I simply went to the caretaker's dwelling, introduced myself and my friends and said that we did not want to take any "souvenirs" (there were some odd things laying around that could have been tempting to some) nor would be cause any more damage than was already so apparent. They were kind of cool about it then! I think one of the scariest things was the attic where those little rooms were *chills even now* and it was evident people were using the little rooms with the short doorways (like four feet tall or something) as crash pads.. we'd see soiled linens and a single boot and just weird stuff. I don't know why we kept going back but we did. It was pretty cool when you'd take that road to get to it (don't recall its name but it was off of Fredericksburgh road, where I worked) and you'd go down into this slump in the road, emerge onto a hill and there before you stood this decaying mansion that just beckoned a lot of people. Cool but creepy memories. Julie Nordin Swahn.

anonymous Says:
November 24th, 2008

I lived down from the hill from the mansion at an apartment complex in the 70's. I remember many times sneaking into the house with my brother and his friends. This was when many things were intact: bedrooms were full of cloths, shoes, Time Life magazines. etc. I remember a round velvet bed for some reason??. There were canned food items still in the shelves of the kitchen. I also remembered being chased by the caretaker. He would set out fake legs and things like that to scare us off but no such luck! Oh, and fleas had taken over that place too.... Good Times.....

anonymous Says:
November 24th, 2008

I can attest, I am the bother from the post above! lol. I remember that the stairway was really cool, and there was an elevator as well?? We went up into the attic which was pretty creepy and behind the door was a mirror. When we were leaving, we caught our reflection and we freaked out! LOL. We made the mistake of jumping on that red round bed, and after we climbed out of the window to head down the hill, we realized we were covered in fleas...We ran all the way down the hill and jumped into the apt pool clothes and all and there was thousands of flees floating in the water. The caretaker had a pistol that he shot in the air one time we were exploring the pool and tennis court area...There was also pens in the back for animals

anonymous Says:
December 05th, 2008

Hello folks. No midget mansion is not anywhere near promontory point. That is a stupid myth. It was further south. I don't remember the actual location, but i do remember driving toward it and there is a winding road that goes up around a cliff, a vantage point that you can see much of town from. I was a teenager when the house was still there. I never went in, but i know people that did, and they said it was just like the legends portray it now...full of corridors that went downward, sloping into smaller passageways and secret doors and stuff. They told me that it always felt like they were being watched or like someone was right there, close enough to touch them. They would dare each other to go deeper in, but never made it past the second level. It was massive, and i don't know about having catacombs or anything that dramatic underneath....but i suppose its possible. It was in fact torn down because it drew Satanists there, i guess because they thought it had some spiritual power. I guess we may never know these things. My friends did say it was furnished, and that seemed very strange since it had been vacant for ages. And that everything was covered in sheets and sort of wispy with age and cobwebs. I just wish i had seen it when i had the chance.

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david Says:
December 05th, 2008

anonymous - December 05th, 2008 - Everything you describe, points to Promontory Point. I mean, how can you deny a person that has lived next to it for over 25 years?

anonymous Says:
December 07th, 2008

Ok, well firs of all Promontory point is less than 10 years old. So...you lived there when it was nothing but trees? Second of all, i'm pretty sure the mansion was old, even in the mid eighties. So...what would it be doing in a modern neighborhood like yours? Thirdly, Midget Mansion was razed to the foundation because satanists were spraying grafiti all over the grounds. I'm pretty sure the neighborhood association in Promontory Point woudnt have an eyesore like that around, even if this had been recently. I have no doubt there is probably some house near you that fits the description, but it's not midget mansion. Midget mansion is just a slab now, and has been that way since 1988 or so.

anonymous Says:
December 09th, 2008

Midget Mansion was off of Donore. I remember going there. There are apartments there now. It is like the picture above. Some of you just don't know what you are talking about when you say that is not the Midget Mansion which it was! Been there!

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david Says:
December 10th, 2008

Agreed, but note...(it use to be where Promontory Point was) Back then before they started building it. I would recommend that you read my entry again. Keep in mind that the home would fit the demographics of Donore Sq. Large mansions.

anonymous Says:
December 11th, 2008

OK, it appears i must retract that statement. I thought you meant the neighborhood promontory point on the north side. Apparently there is an apartment complex with the same name near Callahan. According to some other accounts of people i asked that is indeed the true location....so you're right and i was wrong. So they built an apartment complex over it? That is scary. Imagine how haunted that place is. What can you tell me about it now? Do people hear or see things? Has anyone checked with the residents? Might make a cool story.

anonymous Says:
December 27th, 2008

I can't believe that I stumbled across this site. I was telling my daughter about my trip to the midget mansion when I was in high school and she laughed and thought I was joking. Some friends and I went back in 81 or 82. Since I wasn't from NW side of town I can't remember exactly where it was located, but I vaguely remember it was close to Callahan and 410. I only knew about it because a friend of mine had family that lived close to it. If I remember correctly, there was a wrought iron fence and a small winding asphalt road that lead up to the house. I also remember that the house was intact, but the interior was trashed.

jay24 Says:
January 10th, 2009

Someone mentioned that the donore sq tennis court would have been SE of the main home. If you look at google maps terrain the highest point would be where the western most apt pool is located today and fits with the tennis court being just SE of the main home. Is this where the main home was at? How did you access the property? From Donore or from Medical? i'm a homeowner very close by and I'm intrigued by this. I would love to know more about the layout of the estate relative to the apartments today.

anonymous Says:
January 21st, 2009

I remember in the mid 80's, there you'd to be a small house that my friends and I went up to once. It had what looked as though there should have been some steps leading to the entrance. The door was about 3 feet off the ground.It seemed odd that there were no steps leading to such a high entrance. I was told that's where the midgets once lived. We were chased off the lot by a truck with no lights on.It scared us. Anybody ever go to this location?

anonymous Says:
March 19th, 2009

I was a teenager living off Evers Rd. in 1977. That's when I first went to Midget Mansion with a bunch of my friends. It was fully intact and yes, some rooms had abadoned beds in them and the floor was littered with letters and cards - I used to sit there and read them. I can completely confirm the attic - we staged a friend of ours to scare our other friends one night. The place did have a caretaker with dogs, but I never saw him. We only went at night with flashlights becuase of the caretaker, so I don't remember a whole lot about what hte mansion looked like, but do remember the grand staircase. It was pretty cool.

Wendy

anonymous Says:
March 27th, 2009

If this place was intact in 1977, it was probably abandoned within the 10 or so years before that. So we are only looking at history that is about 50 years old. Seems like it shouldn't be to tough to find out what happened in the house. Though, sometimes, it is more fun to no know!

anonymous Says:
April 15th, 2009

Ok, I will leave my comment now........YES I have indeed been there and it IS INFACT the site of the now PROMITORY POINTE APARTMENTS. I am in the apartment business and have been for 5 years. I know first hand because I hear it from the residents and friends as well as some past management companies that there have been strange happenings there. I used to go up there with my friends and I am 38 years old. I lived at the apartments across the street and we would walk up there to either drink or have teenage fun...if thats what you call it now days. It was fun and like everyone said, a place to hang, get scared, get drunk, high or have sex where your parents couldnt find out. It was super creepy though. Always people there and once my friends and I found a deer hanging from a tree. I would love to go back in time to take a walk down memory lane, but I ouwld never in a million years live at those apartments. Thank you.

anonymous Says:
April 29th, 2009

Good heavens, that was the home of the Sheerin family in San Antonio. I cannot believe the crazy stories that grew out of that home. People will buy into anything.

anonymous Says:
May 30th, 2009

Hey Just discovered something pretty crazy under the Midget Mansion external links on your site. A link to my old tripod web page of haunted San Antonio! So cool. I think I created the page in 1999. Haven't thought about it in nearly as long! I have been intrigued by the story since my dad told me he use to party there in the 1970s.

anonymous Says:
June 16th, 2009

omg!!!!!!!

anonymous Says:
June 23rd, 2009

OK so I just got through reading all this stuff... memories. OK so we new of 2 midget mansions in the 70's and early 80's. The REAL one was Promitory Pointe Apts. The other was the old Gillespie Mansion (sorry Brian). The old Gillespie Mansion was right next to an SACU in the 80's. I remember turning up the long driveway next to a big SACU sign after some kick ass concerts in the early 80's. Then it was a shell of a building, but you could go up to the second story inside. And the roof from the backside of the building. Nothing every happened there except Old man Gillespie having family get together. But lots of stories. Now does anyone remember the toy soldier room up stairs Gillespie Mansion. Now the other REAL midget mansion was a scary place. I remember partying up a storm at both places. What about the Chinese Graveyard??
Daquari

anonymous Says:
June 23rd, 2009

I meant GECU sign not SACU. I used to hang with alot of people from John Jay and Holmes High School in early 80's. We were always told of midgets throwing rocks at us but never had a rock thrown. Do remember a caretaker with a shotgun making us kids scarred to death. We spent more time in the Gillespie Mansion (fake Midget Mansion) than the real one. We would also go to a little graveyard off 90 & 410 they called the Chinese graveyard. I think it had a Spanish name on the sign (Rodriguez or sumpin) but it had alot of tombstones in Chinese. Anyone ever go there?????

anonymous Says:
June 30th, 2009

Iam 47 years old I grew up in rolling ridge off evers road in the mid seventys my friends and I would go to the midget mansion and drink beer smoke weed and trip on acid. We would crank up our car and truck stereos and party all rowdy and loud I guess the music of budgie judas priest iron maiden scorpians and all the other clasic shit kept all the ghosts care takers and woogy boogys away cause we never saw any of em. There was devil worshipper pentagrams and the like, but we never saw them, prolly scared everything away cause between our loud rock n roll steel toed boots and rowdyness we would have kicked there asses so they prolly took heed and stayed away......

anonymous Says:
July 03rd, 2009

I remeber moving on woodlawn st. And the kids next door where a couple years older then me and they where like skater type long hair black pant and shirts..you know what I mean! One night I was hanging out outside my house with a friend and they had asked us what we where up to and if we wanted to go ...so we said hell yeah..I just member jumping a gate and sumone climbed under so there was like 8 of us so we made our way up the hill and when we got to tha top we where like in the back yard of the house there was this pond and a lil brick wall that we walked and lots of trees and the smell of water in the air like green moss every where just smelt weird..so we make our way to the back windows of the house to look inside and as we put our hands on the glass well not everyone but most of us sumone came around the corner and said f*** run so we ran as fast as we could down the hill and lol sum had fell got muddy I just member runing thru the streets after that like every body split up and later that night we where back home just talkin bout what the hell did we run for lol...scared silly...I think we lasted no more then 30mins on the property

anonymous Says:
July 14th, 2009

I'm still good friends with the couple who lived in the guesthouse there back in the early/mid 80s while he was going to school. I assume whoever owned it rented it out to them as caretakers. We were the ultimate frisbee teams of Austin and our friends in SA played with us quite a bit. A bunch of us would haul down to the mansion to visit and attended at least a couple of parties there, including a Halloween party where they had set up a "haunted house" in the burned out shell of the mansion. Don't remember seeing or hearing about any devil worship stuff, though I don't doubt it going on. Glad I didn't know about it then. I'll have to ask my friends who lived there in the guest house about that. When we were there, the pool was semi cleaned out with a few feet of water in it. Probably done by our friends for the party. We partied in the large, old pool house and the guest house. The guest house seemed like a normal house to me. Nothing unusual. We all camped out under the stars on the hillside in front of the mansion. Glad we didn't run into any devil worshippers. Remember the view of SA was wonderful. Fond memories.

anonymous Says:
July 16th, 2009

Hey david,enough with your negative scepticism. If you would open your eyes to more than just a mile outside of loop 410 then you would know about the mansions, priviledged homasteads along Vance Jackson and the Greater San Antonio area.Better yet; stay in your corridor.

anonymous Says:
July 16th, 2009

I've more so have heard the same version of these mansions as everyone else. But as for the Chinese Graveyard; nothing about the site itself. As for the nearby residential areas(Big Country/Heritage Park)a bit. I had gone to school with several peers who all gave the same testimonials of eery sounds and unexplained removed or misplaced personal affects. My inlaws whom still reside on Ravenfield experienced some rather terrifying phenomena just a couple years back. Something about shadow figures and whispers in the dark. I myself have set up homestead in the Sunset subdivision for the last eight years; it use to be a cow pasture adjacent to Heritag Park. I havn't had any experiences on my side of the dry creek, I hope it stays that way.

anonymous Says:
July 27th, 2009

I remember a haunted house that was set up at the mansion off I10 back in the 80's. I was told that it was the mansion known as midget mansion. There was also a huge mansion on Callaghan and I10 that was destroyed when Lowe's was built. Farther out near Huebner rd. was another huge mansion where siamese twins lived. They were famous. Not long ago the newspaper did a story about them. There are many interesting stories concerning who owned these old homes many years ago.

anonymous Says:
August 24th, 2009

Can anyone who has been to the mansion, or ruins thereof, provide any sort of sketch of the layout? I've been to the property, but, sadly, way too late. If anyone knows where a picture of the original structure can be found, I'd greatly appreciate it.

anonymous Says:
August 28th, 2009

I was a teen in the 80's and used to sneak out of my house at night with my sister and friends to go to Midget Mansion, Fat Farm, Donkey Lady Road, Commanche Lookout, etc. Usually, we had some beer or whatever, and we went to these places to look around and have a good adventure. Midget Mansion was located at the 90 degree turn on Tupelo Ln. and Donore Pl. We used to park in a cul-de-sac on Donore Square, go through an empty lot, climb over a short barbed wire fence, and go through a trail that took you up to the pool, which was filled in. It was probably '86 or '87. There were some servant houses near the trail, and once I heard some people chanting some kind of ritual in there. It was about 3 or 4 am. Most of the time we would sit on the filled in pool and drink beer and look at how bright the moon was. Up the hill from the pool was the foundation of the main house it was large but rather unexciting, except for a beautiful staircase (that probably once led to an entryway of the house) and looked out over a large field. Below the foundation was some sort of basement or cellar. I never crawled very far into this space, but I knew where the access was. I was always a little intimidated with what I might find down there. I was, after all only a seventeen year old girl. I also remember some type of fountain, or maybe a tiled floor or patio closer to the 90 degree turn entrance to the property. I remember there being a lot of leaves covering the ground where the main house used to be. It was very shady. There was a lot of trash like beer bottles and stuff like that around. There was a lot of graffiti that was Satanic on just about every surface. I always heard that there were possibly booby traps around the property...like pits covered up with leaves or invisible line strung across paths at neck level. I never ran into anything like that, but I was always conscious that something like that could have been set. Once, we ran into a couple of guys wearing "Heavy Metal" t-shirts walking around the place like us. I think we scared the Hell out of them, because we were a group of about eight people, and there were only two of them. I probably went there a dozen times, and even a couple of times during the day. Looking back, I have fond memories of the fear and excitement I felt when I was there.

anonymous Says:
August 28th, 2009

Wow, thanks for the mental image! I've wondered so many times about this place. Any chance I could get you to draw a map for me? I'd like to trace exactly what's built over the foundation present-day. My mail's qjacks@hotmail.com, if that helps. Thanks.

anonymous Says:
October 05th, 2009

I went to a place over off Fredricksburg and some other road, memory doesnt serve me aswell...
this was about 20 years ago, i remember seeing some rubble and Caution tape, marking it as abandoned, i was told it was the Midget mansion, but i guess it was wrong...

anonymous Says:
October 13th, 2009

WOW...talk about a blast from the past! After reading the comments, I think I actually partied with some of y'all over at the Mansion!
What I remember from my times there back in the early 80's, was that my friends and I would head out to "Midget" (as we fondly called it) and party down, after dark of course.
Often, the cops would show up to do routine checks on the property around 11:30 pm and 2:15 a.m. (Yes...we went there a lot)
I remember A LOT of stories really. ALL of them urban legend-ish and not something I would ever believe. SO...one night, while lighting a fire in the smaller house on the property (which was also abandoned) 2 friend's and I decided we would go up during the day, just to really see everything.
The house was amazing and was surely something to behold in it's day.
The very next morning, we set out and snuck over a barbed wire fence from a small trail in the tall grass just off the main road. We came up just to the side of the Main house.
It was still quite a lovely place. It had been ruined in a fire, that was part of all the stories and more than likely...the only true part.
The walls still had a lovely yellow fabric hanging on them, but the gorgeous staircase had been burned pretty badly. The huge front windows which stood on either side of the massive front entrance were still in tact. The main room in the front was mostly where we would hang out, building a small fire in the big fireplace, so to venture around the house...and in the light of day was incredibly creepy.
We did though. The kitchen was located in the back of the house and down a rounded flight of stairs. I wouldn't go all the way down there, but my friends both did. I decided to check out the pool house instead.
It was the only place which was locked, but you could see perfeclty into the vacant and empty place. Nothing much to see...
The pool was filled with dark green water, moss and all kinds of cans, bottles. I half expected the creature from the Black Lagoon to come up at any minute...but it didn't.
Once we had searched the main house, we headed out onto the property to pay visit to the house we had hung out in the night before. On the way, we happened by an old shed of some sort. It was a dark brown wooden shed that sat back a ways and was behind a bunch of trees and brush that had obviously grown over, so it wasn't a wonder we had never noticed it being there on our night time visits.
We got so excited we started hopping over brambled brush a a much faster pace, when a group of birds came flying out of a bush and sent us running off in different directions, screaming like 5 yr old little girls!
Once we realized we were ok, we marched back over and opened the door only to find the entire shed filled with old newspapers and wood piles. We did find a few pictures that looked to be from the late 70's (by the grade of film used). They were of a bunch of bearded guys hanging out by a bonfire and drinking beer. None of them were "small" people.
SO...long and short. I never saw anything that led me to believe midgets lived there. No low door knobs or tiny toilets. In fact...there were no toilets. They had been removed, or destroyed at some point before 83. That's when I started hanging there.
It was a very cool place to sneak in to and party...

anonymous Says:
October 15th, 2009

i have pics that i took today,and would like to share them.it is where midget mansion used to be,for those of you who are curious to see the exact location.the is a fence thay now runs in front of the property, but you can still see the entrance to the place.

anonymous Says:
October 15th, 2009

i just posted right above,forgot to ask.can anyone tell me where to upload the pics i have.thanks.

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david Says:
October 15th, 2009

You can upload them in your account under images. Join Aeonity: www.aeonity.com/register.php We'd love to see your pictures.

anonymous Says:
October 15th, 2009

thanks david.im going to register right now.

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david Says:
October 15th, 2009

Great. Once your pictures are uploaded, simply click on Get Code to place the images on your blog. To create a blog go to your usercp, then simply copy and paste. happy.gif

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gilbert Says:
October 15th, 2009

i created a profile and posted the pics.

anonymous Says:
October 15th, 2009

My brother used to go to the midget mansion and drink, etc. during the late 70's with his Holmes HS friends. I was too chicken to go. Turned out I was smart not to because he got arrested for under age drinking during one of these escapades. He told me that the doors were very low and it was kind of creepy. I did go to the Chinese graveyard though. It was located somewhere around Marbach and 1604 area; just an old graveyard with tomb stones with Chinese writing on them.

anonymous Says:
October 15th, 2009

I forgot to mention that according to my brother the midget mansion was around IH10 and Callaghan; not at Vance Jackson & IH10.

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gilbert Says:
October 15th, 2009

for the poster above me,your brother is correct.the mansion on vance jackson was known as the gillespie mansion.some people called it midget manion,but they are incorrect.midget mansion was located close to ih10 and callaghan.it was in the nieghborhood over to the right back where all the woods are.

anonymous Says:
October 17th, 2009

Another old SA place was an old quarry located between Marbach & Military, inside the loop. We used to going swimming & party there in the early 70's. Don't know if it is still there.

anonymous Says:
October 28th, 2009

That old quarry was in the Meadow Village subdivision. It was part of Southwest Research. I remember that place, I grew up on Meadow Glade!

anonymous Says:
October 29th, 2009

the "quarry" is now a public park called "tom slick park". my husband's parents still live on foxgate and him and i have spend alot of time there. there is a walking trail around the majority of the park and a water filled pit (prolly the "swimming hole"wink.gif that urban legend has is filled wit dead monkey's discarded from sw research's days, obviously we never saw any dead monkeys. there is still alot of wooded area and we hav also spend time waaaaayyy off the beaten path within the park. never experienced anything weird or out of the ordinary, just a normal family park that has a stigma bc sw research used to own it.

anonymous Says:
October 29th, 2009

sorry in laws live on fieldgate not foxgate...

anonymous Says:
October 30th, 2009

There was even a news cast (maybe on KENS?) about the mansion. Supposedly there was a set of stairs that led down miles into the Earth under the mansion. Supposedly they kept slaves there. I was told that the news team went down the stairs Jeraldo-Rivera style with cameras, but never reached the bottom. My friends and I used to visit it frequently, and it ALWAYS felt ominous. The last time we visited, a few scary looking individuals suddenly appeared exactly where there was nothing before. They just appeared. We screamed and ran. The end. Really miss it.

anonymous Says:
October 30th, 2009

Me and some people like Artie and Greg and Paul and several other Clark HS partiers would drive up there and party. I remember the freaky dude painting inside the pool wall (big silly face). They filled in the pool after a fire on the side of the hill. There was a grass fire, there were fire trucks driving up to it one evening. Then it made KENS news and they filled in the pool with earth. I remember the outdoor stairs going up to the road, the stairs has these kick ass porticos for statues. Lots of good times. That was when San Antonio was a great place. Now, sadly, it's a shithole. Thanks for the memories, and Happy Halloween. Clark HS Class of 1985!!! w00t!

anonymous Says:
October 30th, 2009

And by the way, I do remember Russ and Danny!!! They used to live off of Bluemel and Fred Rd.....

anonymous Says:
October 31st, 2009

This place was really eerie...I remember going there with my sister, her boyfriend and my best friend in 1977. I was 11 years old. We parked somewhere on Medical Dr. and sneaked in the back of the property. My sister's boyfriend, (now my brother-in-law) called it the midget farm and after much begging, he agreed to take us there. We got in thru an unlocked back door. The place was massive! There was a huge pool in back, separate living quarters, and the house had two main floors and an attic. We spent the whole afternoon in that place, touring it. There were all kinds of rooms, a library full of old books, a wine cellar, a dumb-waiter elevator and a massive stair case. The very top level had small rooms with dormer windows over-looking the property. The doors all had low door-knobs and all the light switches were only about 3' from the floor. I found a wine bottle in the cellar dated 1927,and I carried it as we walked around. The place was really freaky, with ornate carpet, hard wood flooring, fancy window treatments and heavy wall paper stuff on the walls. This house in its day was first class. Many rooms were locked with old skeleton key style locks. I found a key on a shelf in the library and it fit all the locks! We opened locked rooms and started finding stuff that really freaked us out. Strange chairs with leather straps to hold you down and weird tables that looked like something you'd see in a morgue. My sister was starting to get really creeped out and wanted to leave. I opened another locked door and it was a room about the size of a bedroom, but no windows. The inside of the door had red smudgy hand prints and "help" written on it. The floor was a mess too and other marks on the rest of the walls, but it was too dark to see all of it. Being 11, I was fascinated and didn't feel afraid, when my sister and bro-n-law saw this they got real quiet and the tone changed. My sister wanted to leave immediately, we all teased her and kept looking around. We found a prosthetic leg and a lot of manequin parts like arms and feet. We worked our way to the garage and found a cellar entrance and tunnels that went in several directions those were really creepy. We worked our way to the front of the house and it was incredible, a large porch, statues, a fountain with a pond full of huge gold fish, nearly a foot long! None of us had ever seen goldfish that huge. We left without incident and I got my souvenier wine bottle. Later in the day, we told my bro-in-law's younger brother about the place and the goldfish. He made us take him to go see this place, it was late in the day and was close to sundown. We decided to pull up to the front entrance on Donore Place. We parked and squeezed through the chained double gate that had about a one foot opening we all went through. We walked up the steep driveway and being the littlest one and the most excited, I was ahead of everyone else. Toward the top of the driveway, I saw a man with a gun walking toward us with a doberman on a chain, he let the dog loose and it came toward us. I was the first one to see this as the drive was really steep and I was 30-40 feet ahead of everyone else. I turned and ran and when everyone saw me coming back at them with a huge dog gaining on me. they ran too! I was now 50 feet behind them running as fast as I could. They were all out the gate and climbing in to the van and yelling at me to hurry. We all got in the van as this caretaker got to the gate, he was a big guy and could not fit through the opening. Things were getting really scary as we were all yelling to get out of there. My bro-in-law was trying to fish the key out of his pocket to start the van. I looked in horror as the caretaker unlocked the gate and walked up to us with gun in hand demanding us to get out of the van. Mike finally started the van and the guy stood in front of it banging his gun on the hood. Mike punched it and the guy had to jump out of the way to keep from getting run over. As we took off, he shot out the side window of the van and the one of the back windows as we sped off. I literally was pissing my pant and everyone else was screaming at the top of their lungs. We got home, shaken up and the van had broken windows and a bullet hole in the back door. I was told to never talk about what happened that day. I was scared shitless anytime someone brought up that place and if anyone drove near there, I would freak out. My brother-in-laws little brother eventually went back with some friends and they found tunnels that went really far all over the entire property. They were really freaked out about that place. Several friends tried to go back there but were chased off by the caretaker with dogs. That place was really weird, I was saddened when it burned down, it was a pretty majestic estate on a big piece of land. I still have that winebottle!

anonymous Says:
November 02nd, 2009

LOL the last story must be a crock!

anonymous Says:
November 16th, 2009

that storry u juz sed bout is crap

anonymous Says:
December 10th, 2009

The aforementioned location of "Midget Mansion" is erroneous. It was actually located of Donore Place just off Fredericksburg Road (behind Lyndy's Bar). Nothing is there but a foundation now. The house that use to stand where the Lowes now resides was the Horizon Hill House, not Midget Mansion. I use to be a police officer and was called out there quite a bit in the 80's due to thrill seekers wanting an experience. I saw the house in it heyday and its dilapidation. The buzz in those days was it was the strong man from the Ringling Brothers Barnum & Bailey Circus who went mad and killed all the midgets living under the stairwell of the house. Have fun.

anonymous Says:
December 12th, 2009

in 1990, some friends and I found 2 spiral staircases leading downward beneath ground level by a huge tree hidden behind some brush. To our surprise, we also found a meaningless closet/archway down below w/ obsenities and a large swastika spraypainted inside the small dwelling...

anonymous Says:
December 12th, 2009

P.S.- I think that 99% of the people that went to M.M. only saw the cement slabs up top, and never found the secrets downstairs. they were cleverly hidden (especially@night)...

anonymous Says:
December 13th, 2009

Midget Mansion is now the Promontory Pointe apartments. That IS the correct location. Period. Geez. I thought this was already agreed upon.

anonymous Says:
January 03rd, 2010

i'm 40yrs old now and i lived next to the midget mansion all of my child and teenage life. i use to go there almost everyday with my sisters in the 70's and early 80's. i knew that house inside out and outside in. i loved that house and i always wanted to live there. in front of the house outside right before the entry staircase were two huge lion statures and they looked scary. when i use to go there the house was still fully intact with lots of paints of different midgets and with furniture and even a black limo in the garage. you could enter the undergound tunnels through the garage and we had flash lights so we saw and very clearly and touched the midget statrues that were stuck on the walls which now i realize that's were the midgets were buried and at the end of the tunnel was a shrine featuring what looked like the queen midget cause her statrue had a crown on her head and there was also a painting of her in a beautiful long dress and a crown on her head. i loved that picture and i always wanted to take it home with me but i couldn't cause it was tightly mounted above the fireplace. the garage ceiling was very low like it was made just for midgets. the guest homes were all still had nice furniture in them. so i don't know where people came up with just two midgets in the house, there were several. and i dont't remember seeing any evidance of any full sized people living there.<<also as the story i know goes, the midget mansion was occupid by many midgets and they all were very wealthy and had what you call "old money". they were said to have been very smart business men and lost it all in the 1930's crash financal crash and that is when one of the midgets did kill his kids and wife then himself but, he did not kill all of the midgets who lived in the house. and they all lived in that one house cause people in san antonio would not accept them cause of their size, they were rejects and made fun of. a few days after this muder happen one of the midgets was in law school and had just finished. he became successful and started to earn lots of money. so since they are rejects the rest of them couldnt find jobs. so they had to rely on their own smarts to start up their own business. so the lawyer midget loaned them the money and they started their own business which also became very very successful and the became rich again. but that was short lived cause the lawyer midget got his money back but thats all he got and that made him very mad cause he wanted to be part of the rest of the midgets cause of the money. a lot of arguments went on for a few months and he saw or found out some way that he was going to be cut off from their well cause they no longer liked the lawyer midget. so the lawyer midget killed all of the midgets except for one young adult male who was the tallest one and looked most normal than the rest. he wasnt killed cause he couldnt find him, he was hiding in the house. the lawyer midget felt bad and went crazy the next day and killed himself. the tall migdet came out and saw that they all were dead. so he called the police, cleaned up the place, then he was the one who got them buried. he was the only one left out of the family and he felt like the house and san antonio was cursed so moved but before he moved he went to his neighbor's house and told him that he is leaving town and if he could keep an eye on the house. so the tall midget left town but he didn't tell anyone where he was going and he left the house as is. the neighbor believed that the midget would return but he never did. the neighbor would run off all the treaspasser. but when the neighbor died thats when people start to worship the devil, rape girls, kill animals, and start fires there.

anonymous Says:
January 03rd, 2010

the person who left a comment on oct 31, 2009 is NOT making any of that up. i remember all that except for the help. but i did see red marking on the cloest door. and yes the care taker did have a dam gun and abut five or six huge dogs and he always ran people off with his dog and gun. i still remember how he looked. he was a older white man who looked very mean and mad all of the time. then killing that the lawyer did wasnt back in the 1940's it happen somtime in the 1960's. and yes just driving by that place was scary of the mean neighbor. and yes there were wine ceallars there with unopened wine bottles. and yes to the goldfish they were there too. and everyone in the area know the day the mean neighbor died and the word spead fast and thats when the house went to ruins. i'm sad cause i loved that house and i use to spend hours there too. plus it was full of history!! oh yeah and the neighbor also had a mansion and he lived there alone with his dogs.

anonymous Says:
January 03rd, 2010

oh yea there was a mansion on vance jackson and one where lows is at now and one on the southside. but none where "the midget mansion" but the people in san antonio started calling all very old white abandoned mansions the midget mansion. how dumb.

anonymous Says:
January 03rd, 2010

sorry bout my last three comments. when i wote them i was feeling a little drunk from parting all night. but i hope yall understand what i was trying say, cause i can't even understand what i was trying to say. no... i do understand what i was saying but it was hard to understand myself. but yeah all that i said is true. and there's more to say about the mansion but i dont have the time right now.

anonymous Says:
January 05th, 2010

Brian Gillespie needs to get over himself and his family. Your family home off of Vance Jackson was known as the Surgar Cane Plantation and while people did go up there to hang out, no one I knew ever confused it with Midget Mansion. Thanks for selling out to Walmart...just what San Antonio needs.

anonymous Says:
January 05th, 2010

LOL Brian Gillespie is afraid of having his family name stained? Aren't you just a bunch of sleazy car dealers? You do need to get over yourself. I know where your family house was and never knew it as midget mansion. Midget mansion was located where the Prometory Pointe apartments are now located. We would go up there in the late 70's/early 80's. The home burned down around 1985 I believe because when I went up there in 1990 the home was gone and only the foundation was left and they had filled in the tunnel with concrete. I had heard that a woman was found raped and murdered out by the pool and that was why they filled it in and tore down the pool house. The stories about being chased by the caretaker are true, as I was chased twice by him. Does anyone remember the VW Bug in the pool? Anyway, David Gillespie can rest easy because no one is mistaking his great grandfather as the murdering midget. I'm sure he is rolling over in his little grave knowing you allowed Walmart to put a store where his house was.

anonymous Says:
January 05th, 2010

screw san antonio. san antonio is a hoe and has sold out to anyone who have the cash. once san antonio was a fun and special place with bar hopping on st. mary's street, cruising brack on sunday then cruising and hanging out on military on sunday night, going to the midget mansion for fun on a friday night, then going to the tracks for more scary fun, all the family time at brack, it was packed with family having fun with each other at brack every sunday, then there was the party line where you would call your home phone number from your phone for about 20 to 30 times and be able to get connected with the party line, then there was the donkey lady line and the bloody mary line. san antonio was peaceful and fun but not anymore.

anonymous Says:
January 05th, 2010

wow i lived near by and i would visit the m.m. offten in the late 70's and early 80's. there is so much to tell because there is alot i remember very well and it would be too much for me to say here. i think i will tell my story on youtube. it will be faster and easier that way for me.

anonymous Says:
January 06th, 2010

Yeah, I feel sorry for the kids today. San Antonio has lost some of the great hang out places and urban legend type things. I read Brian Gillespie's entry...what an ass...no one cares about his family and he should feel stupid for thinking that his great-grandfather was a midget. What a LOSER! Won't be buying a car from Gillespie!

anonymous Says:
January 07th, 2010

*****so mr. david, what do you think of the midget mansion? what story do you know? and which story do you believe?*****

anonymous Says:
January 25th, 2010

Gillespie mansion was not midget mansion. Why does Brian think that everyone is making fun of his family. Sounds like the Gillespies think they are special or something. Well they're not.

anonymous Says:
February 13th, 2010

you guys are full of crap !!!

georacer Says:
February 20th, 2010

In or around 1980 I worked at Malibu Grand Prix during it's grand opening, which was located at I-10 and 410. Some of my co-workers knew the area well and they showed me the infamous Midget Mansion. I remember exact location to be north-north east of where Donore Place curves hard to the left and heads toward Fredericksburg Rd.

In other words: If you would drive NW on Donore coming from Mockingbird lane, you are heading straight to the estate property, when you got to where the street turns hard left and becomes Tupelo Ln address about 3908 but instead went straight ahead through the gate, you would be heading onto the Mansion property and straight up to the old Mansion. It was easily seen from the road, it was big, looked expensive but run down and un-kept.

Note this is the back side of Prometory Pointe apartments, so it has confused some people when they read that it was on Medical when in fact it was accessed from the south side of the property on Donore Ln.

This curve and the same view I saw back in the day can be seen on Google Maps street view, use 3908 Tupelo Ln and look north-north east. Deja vu BIG TIME!!!

I hope this helps clear up some things.

I did re-visit the site some during the early to mid nineties, sadly I found that the house had been torn down and there was a developer sign on the gate posting the property for sale.

Does anybody have any photos of the main house?

anonymous Says:
March 23rd, 2010

i know this has nothing to do with midget mansion but does anyone know of a clinic in the middle of the ghost tracks woods. my friends brother told me that he was walking through the woods and found it with broken windows and when they entered it was full of blood and tagging all over the walls and in every room even the hallway floor walls full of blood like someone was dragged they were hearing all this crazy stuff and someone was hitting the walls all hard dont know if it i true or not but it sounds damn scary

anonymous Says:
March 27th, 2010

I lived in the area across I-10 and medical drive since the middle 60's.I lived within walking distance of the old mansion and went there many ,many times.But,I didn't tear the place up like it seemed everybody else did.It was a beautiful old house witha great view! No midgets ever lived there.I know this to be a fact.The Sherrin family built that house in the early 50's and members of the family lived there until the late 70's.When it was abandoned.The first time I went there was in about 1975.The house was still inhabited then.The yard was mowed.It was beautiful.There used to be a lake in front of it where the elementary school is now.I explored the property between the hill the house was on and I-10 along medical drive many times.All that property was woods back then.No horizon hill road .Couple of homeless camps a few times.Abandoned stolen cars too.Just dirt roads and woods.Oh and remnants of native american inhabitants.Found many arrow heads.There was a spring across medical that fed the lake and that is probably why the indians inhabited the area.Probably for thousands of years.That may explain the spirits at promitory point apartments.The indians probably camped on that hill for many years.

anonymous Says:
March 31st, 2010

man the mansion sounded like a fun a place to visit! too bad i was too young and never really had the transportation to go back then. i had always thought that the mansion was out by the mission trails just like i have been told every other urban legend is. anyhowwwl, i remember a friend of mine telling us that he had gone one afternoon. he claimed that he and his uncle had just escaped the mansion after an attack from the midgets. he was a liar and i saw it coming also not to mention his uncle was a ninja! they had fought them off with ninja throw stars and swords his uncle had. he ecsaped unscathed while his uncle suffered injury from the midgets long finger nails. where did they scratch him i asked? he said on his leg, so when his uncle walks out the door he is wearing cut off shorts so high there could be no significance on his attack! where was the scratch? he said it was higher and couldnt be seen SURE! thats a memory i have of the mansion though its fabricated and i never personally went. those sure sounded like some good times though! i have to agree with a post about sa being shit hole now sure is my friend! sure is! such good times and memories thank you!

anonymous Says:
April 17th, 2010

I went to school in SA in the early 80s. We would drive by it at night. Not stay long. Never got out of the car, but the circular drive was just feet from the front of the place and you always thought something would come after you. I never knew why it was called midget mansion or any of the stories so reading all this has been interesting.

anonymous Says:
May 09th, 2010

Midget Mansion was on Donore off of Fredericksburg rd. Right where the old Lyndy's used to be. There was a newscaster that worked at KENS TV in the late 70's and early 80's that supposedly bought the house next to or the actually house. I cant remember his name but I believe it was Bob Salters. Midget Mansion was off of Donore not Medical.

anonymous Says:
June 24th, 2010

Apparently, the estate spread from Donore to Medical - though the entrance to the property was off of Donore - according to the description provided by georacer. I'd be fascinated to know more about the actual origins of the home, as well as the origin of the legends which surround it.

anonymous Says:
June 28th, 2010

back in the 70's located on blanco & dresden(northcentral
area) there use to be a ranch house sitting on the top of the hill with horses roaming the property.what now stands there are castlepointe apts. and a small shopping strip.krogers food store use to be there. as a kid we use to play with the horses sneaking across the fence.from nimitz middle school football field to the other side of shopping strip (where now is a pawn shop,laundrymat,dollar store, ect.) alot of land with one huge beautiful ranch home once stood. does anyone know who the owners of the home and land belong to?

anonymous Says:
June 28th, 2010

back in the 70's located on blanco & dresden(northcentral
area) there use to be a ranch house sitting on the top of the hill with horses roaming the property.what now stands there are castlepointe apts. and a small shopping strip.krogers food store use to be there. as a kid we use to play with the horses sneaking across the fence.from nimitz middle school football field to the other side of shopping strip (where now is a pawn shop,laundrymat,dollar store, ect.) alot of land with one huge beautiful ranch home once stood. does anyone know who the owners of the home and land belong to?

anonymous Says:
July 07th, 2010

I don't know about midgets, but I live at promontory right now and it is totally haunted! Doors move and we hear this random male voice that sounds like its talking down to a child or something. Its really strange.

anonymous Says:
July 08th, 2010

"Friends of Miget Mansion" on facebook HAS photos of the old house! Its pretty cool!!!

anonymous Says:
July 09th, 2010

Munchkin Mansion (Midget Mansion) was the old homestead of the Frederich Air Conditioning family - it did sit where the promontory point apartments now stand - The Gillespie estate consisted of two homes - one old stone house built in late 1890's or early 1900's that was disassembled stone by stone and moved to the Gillespie family ranch in Sisterdale - the other house was built in 1950's or 1960's (on top of hill -quite a few - very impressive house - it is now the Virginia Granados Senior Center - there was an old house next to the Gillespie Estate - the Vance House (or Spencer estate) that had quit a history - various stories put it as a road house during prohibition - gambling hall or house of ill repute - it burned down in 1960's - the old Tucker field little park was on the site until family sold all the land except the 40 acres that remained as the Gillespie homestead -

I get final word on this one - I played little league at Tucker Field - threw rocks at the vacant Spencer/Vance house - but also developed the Dellview Marketplace shopping center that now sits on the Gillespie estate and donated the the Gillespie homestead to the city y for the Virgina Grandos Senior Citizen center

Elizabeth Gillespie (or her husband Carl Schenken) or her cousin Claire Mathews can all confirm this

never met a Brian Gillespie but Elizabeth Carl Claire (and Ms Gillespie senior) where all very nice down to earth people

anonymous Says:
July 14th, 2010

I live at Promontory Point now and found out about the mansion and heard a bunch of stores from folks who spend many a partyin' nights there. from what I can gather from the FaceBook community on it, it was owned by the Sheerin family from the '50's on (maybe the Friedrich family up 'til then?) and little people never lived there. But it does have lots of stories and lore and that's pretty cool to hear about.

It was a beautiful place back in it's day and it's a shame it wasn't preserved.

Thanks for letting me post.

-Rick Perry

anonymous Says:
August 09th, 2010

Thanks to everyone for the recollections and suppositions. I only moved here at the end of 2008, so I never had an opportunity to see anything more than the dilapidated gateway.

I have done a little historical research on the area, though, and would like to offer a few observations and corrections to several statements on this forum.

The Friedrich mansion is in Dignowity, at 805 Nolan Street. There is a beautiful photo of it on the saculturaltours (dot-com) website. I'd provide the link, but am too lazy to register on this site, lol!

Second, while the Sheerins appear to have been the last legal residents of the mansion - and perhaps even made some changes to it - the descriptions had led me to believe that the home was actually built in the early 20th century. And after seeing the FB photos, I'm convinced of it.

Other evidence: several of the existing structures in the same area - notably Oak Hills Country Club (which was established as Alamo Country Club, in 1922) and the Denman estate (on Mockingbird - built in 1936 or so). At that time, the area - which probably would have been unincorporated - was obviously a favorite with the rich and powerful.

The frequent mention of tunnels, secret rooms and hidden passages also leads me to believe the home was built earlier than the '50's - like, say, in the 1920's, during Prohibition?

Anyway, this has been a fascinating look at the past. Sometime during the next 6 months, I'll try to research Bexar county property records to see if anything comes to light. If I learn anything, I'll let you know!

anonymous Says:
August 11th, 2010

I used to live at Prom. Point. I lived there alone for about a year. About 10 months after living there I started hearing strange noises, like muffled gunshots. Then I heard screaming and loud thumping from my ceiling, the strange thing was I was on the top floor. I woke up one night to what felt like someone choking me. After that I broke my lease and moved out. I later found out that the area I stayed was a direct location of where the husband hung himself and my bedroom was his closet. I have a picture of me and my Boyfriend at the time in my bedroom and directly behind us was a blurred off image of a hanged man. If I can locate the picture I will send it to you.

-Sakura

anonymous Says:
August 17th, 2010

Sakura, anything you saw while in that apartment wasn't related to Donore Manor (aka Midget Mansion) or any of its inhabitants. The story of "Midget Mansion" is an urban legend - the accounts of the Sheerin brothers on FB stop just short of saying their family started the rumors to keep everyone off the property, but that's the implication. In short: no midgets, no murder. URBAN LEGEND.

anonymous Says:
September 05th, 2010

I've been to midget mansion several times during the early 90's, I used to go with my friends after we have had some beers, and smoke, we would walk around the place at night, it was very creepy but beautiful at the same time. By that time only the foundation of the house was left, I remember seeing the VW there, I thought it was laying on its side. There were alot of sinkholes on the property, and if you made it to the bamboo forest and walked a certain path, in the center was a tree where the supposed altar was where the satanists worshipped or so they said. Each time there I would go into the bamboo forest, in the center by the tree there were good size rocks positioned in a big circle, with a big rock slab in the center of this rock circle, pretty cool to see late at night. I never saw anything scary, but it was always a good time, and brings back good memories.

anonymous Says:
January 11th, 2011

According to someone's flikr account (and photos taken in the 1970s before the mansion was demolished), the Midget Mansion was off First Park Ten Blvd. near I-10.

anonymous Says:
January 18th, 2011

the version my parents told me is that it was called munchkin manor and that there was a bunch of the little people were in the shed and it was full of shot guns and if u went on the land they would come out and shoot u dead and i believe they said it was owned by normal people

anonymous Says:
January 26th, 2011

i member some lococs from southside going to rolandos w super tacos the ''nando'' with carne guisada ,avacado ,cheese , and beans .ta de aqella all i member is sludge and little doors and my taco being awsome !! i love lil killas like those in the third coast .. midget mansion QUE MIRAS GUAY!!

anonymous Says:
March 26th, 2011

I just read on the san antonio website that i would assume have more knowledge of where this place is, that the mansion is located off Fredricksburg rd on Donore Rd. so just thought you should know. And it was a navy man that built the house up there in the first place but did not stay there long. there is nothing there now but the servants quarters and where the mansion had burned down. happy.gif

anonymous Says:
March 29th, 2011

Dear March, 26th, 2011....

THATS OLD info! Everything is wiped out now, the servants quarts and all.. Its an Apartment complex now. Facebook has a GREAT "friends of midget mansion" site.

anonymous Says:
April 11th, 2011

During the '70s, a lot of our friends used to make nighttime trips to this mansion (commonly known then as The Midget Farm), which fronted on Donore. There was a heavy gauge chain strung across the road, which prevented cars from entering the drive, so you had to walk up to it. There was at least once caretaker, whom we encountered once during the day when we decided to drive by and look at it. It did look a lot like the photo above. He was around 5 ft tall or shorter, with greying hair and eyebrows, and a gun, and wasn't happy about people wanting to see the house (no trespassing). We decided that he was the midget. ;-)

The place was completely furnished at the time, as if a family had moved out or maybe an elderly person had passed away with no heir. I remember everything from clothing to artwork, etc., though I just followed my friends through the top floor down to a basement, and then back out. The second time I went back with them (and the last), we noticed that someone had strung a tripwire across the stairs, about 2 inches from the edge, so it would catch your foot. We could hear what sounded like a voiceless dog breathing down at the bottom. It was no longer funny or cool at that point to explore the place, so we left in a hurry and that was it.

My friends said it was called the Midget Farm because of the people who lived there, but there was never anything creepy associated with the stories. It sounds like the creepy stuff happened in the '80s. When we were there, it was just an old, abandoned mansion with a caregiver who was rightly pissed off that so many kids kept trespassing on the property.

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david Says:
April 11th, 2011

Hi everyone. I just wanted to say thanks for all the information and interaction that we've all provided into the blog entry / community. I would like everyone to keep the spirit going by posting your thoughts, and real events so all can share.

anonymous Says:
July 01st, 2011

anonymous August 09th, 2010 - I was just going to say anyone who has access to property records could find out who owned the mansion and more of it's history. I find it hard to believe that in this day and age it's so hard to find out the origins of the property or the story behind it. There would have been newspapers going back decades, so it's not like it's some mythical place that existed before the written word. Geez. And what kind of lazy investigative journalism did KENS do back in the day that they had no information either?

Anyway I never got to visit the place, which we always knew as Midget Mansion. My mum would sometimes stop by the Stop N Go near it and tell us it was there, but we never got to explore it. It says something about this crappy city that there were dozens of these old mansions and not one of them was saved.

anonymous Says:
July 06th, 2011

This made for some awesome reading and really took me back I lived on callahan in the 70-80's and went there twice really brings back memories. Thanks everyone for sharing the good ol days.
carter

anonymous Says:
October 16th, 2011

There are many more stories of the midget mansion, one where the servant went crazy from being mistreated and killed the family and himself. By the way I went past the midget mansion two days ago....creepy

anonymous Says:
October 24th, 2011

I used to go to the Midget Mansion back in 87. We would park on a side street before the turn. We walked up this long driveway and there was kinda like a "spot" where something existed. I remember ALOT of Bennigan Restaurant tickets as if it belonged to a waiter/waitress and alot of empty beer cans.
I walked around and remember going to a "garden" you actually went down some stairs which were on 2 sides and it was like a big square yard-exactly like a garden but the size of maybe a humongous back yard. I cannot remember why, but you couldnt go down there. It was so long ago.
It was just a story to me. I know for a fact that the property has been built over it.

anonymous Says:
October 25th, 2011

Midget maintain on Vance jakson isVERRY tru not haunted but that gulespi guy sounds like a duche but he's right I hung out there as a kid I was too young for the medical local so and just old enough to hang at the vance for years befor they made it into a historical park/monument it's not bulldozed tho it still stands behind wall mart lots of weird features inside my name is Warren murtha and I swear my postings validity on my life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anonymous Says:
October 26th, 2011

Stumbled across this thread by accident but I HAVE GOT to contribute my experience at Midget Mansion, since very few of the entries above actually detail anything paranormal.
I visited the grounds of Midget Mansion in the fall of 89 or 90 with three friends, two other guys and one girl. The location I recall wasn't too far off Fredericksburg Road and, i believe, Donore (or whatever the the street that Lindy's was on). We parked at the bottom of a hill and went around the chain-link fence on foot. If i recall correctly, we went twice in one day.
When we got there in the late afternoon, we parked & climbed up the curved driveway and wandered around the grounds. All that was left was the foundation. I don't recall seeing a pool, but I doubt that we covered the entire estate. We did notice another group of teenagers doing the same thing we were and just avoided them. Up to that point, the strangest thing we saw was the shell of an overturned car in the creek behind the property. And then I & one of the other guys decided to climb down the stairs into what looked like a cellar.
Once underground, we made sure to leave the door open so that there would be some light down there. In the center of the room there was an 8' stone slab, which certainly could function as an altar. The walls were covered in graffiti, more of a Nazi / Neo-Nazi type but I did see a couple of pentagrams, 666's, etc. It was pretty filthy but I managed to find a small crucifix on the ground which i still own to this day, not being either religious or superstitious. We continued to look around for a while until the one girl in our group decided she was getting pretty creeped out and went to the car. A short time before we left, right at sundown, me and one of the guys were standing on the side of the hill in a clearing. As we were talking and standing there in the middle of the clearing, we noticed it was getting unseasonably cold, but only in one spot. This made no sense since we were outdoors and it had been a fairly warm day. As we continued to take it all in, we stood in that clearing & talked a little while longer. Just before the last traces of sunlight disappeared both of us began to notice that there were about a hundred pairs of glowing red dots about 3' off the ground in the bushes on either side of us. There is no way this could have been animals, since there was no noise or commotion of any kind. The dots remained PERFECTLY still. What's more, animal eyes only reflect light. These dots were NOT reflecting, but glowing. In fact, we didn't even have a flashlight in our possession and it was pitch-black otherwise! We remained as calm as 19 year olds can be and decided to walk slowly down the hill towards the car, immediately noticing that the temperature was now back to normal.
Once we got there & told our other friends what we'd just experienced, she FREAKED and we tore out of there ASAP!
A few hours later we talked her into going back to the grounds, but she wouldn't even get off the car! In fact, only two of us actually did. My friend & I went back up there but there were no traces of the dots or the cold spot. As bold as I was during the day, wild horses couldnt have dragged me down into that cellar in the dead of night! Even so, I lost sight of my friend and briefly thought I was on my own. About a minute later, I saw him several yards away under a huge old tree. Suddenly, I noticed he'd made a fire and before long, he'd set the huge tree on fire!!! I don't know why, but this terrified me! HELLO?!?! Didn't the midgets die in a fire??? I was really pissed at my friend for disturbing whatever spirits were there as well as for killing a huge old tree. I insisted we scram and we did. I will never forget the huge ball of flame in the rear view mirror as we sped away!

anonymous Says:
October 28th, 2011

October 28, 2011
I remember visiting Midget Mansion probably 1984/85. I was 19 at the time. I went with a group of people. I remember walking into what I think was a huge living room/dining area with a huge fireplace. There were other people hanging out there as well. Parts of it was opened & knocked down. I remember standing in the front of the house way up high where the huge pillars once stood. Part of the pillars were still there. Also a staircase leading down which I did not go. I remember going down into a small room that had old newspapers from way back - I remember squeezing my way down to get there-tight quarters. It was freaky to say the least - I wanted out because I felt confined. Anyways I also remember another smaller house on the property. They said it was the maids quarters. I remember the pool as well. Quite an experience. I'm glad I got to experience it since it has become quite a legend.

anonymous Says:
December 31st, 2011

I am 52. Grew up in San Antone. When I was a teenager, we use to go to midget mansion but were always already stoned when we got there so were afraid to go in. Our legend was that there were midgets living there and they had german shepard dogs that would attack you. We would stop at the top of the hill on Donore and shine our brights and could see the mansion. Was a pretty spooky looking place. I believe it did burn but the shell of the mansion was still there. As a young adult (18 or 19), I drove down Donore on a regular basis cause I lived over there and worked over at the medical center. At that time (late 70's) the mansion was still there and visable,

anonymous Says:
February 28th, 2012

I still have a couple souvineers from Midget Mansion. I have a book of the First Philidelphia City Calvery and photos of Larry Sheerin and some of his guns left in the attic. I'll post the photos on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/groups/53893978423/?bookmark_t=group

anonymous Says:
March 27th, 2012

There was a mansion where Lowes parking lot is now. It was beautiful and active long long after Donore (mm) was gone. I used to sit at Chachas (alfreds) drink margaritas and look out at the mansion and the beautiful lawn and white fence.

Donore was standing in the 80's. I used to drink on the second floor with friends. Until the cops came and chased us out which was a regular occurrence. There was a cellar of sorts. Rare for the region. Ive never heard the story you tell regarding the murder. Ive asked the son several times and he ignores me. Maybe its true. Sad. Interesting lore.

anonymous Says:
April 13th, 2012

messrs.cingserm

anonymous Says:
June 10th, 2012

I understand the 'little person' who built the mansion allowed many other diminuitive folks to occupy the mansion for absolutely no charge. The mansion became known as the "Stay Free Mini Pad" lol

anonymous Says:
July 13th, 2012

I was there around 1980. I got stopped by a guy who said he owned the property.
He was a local sportscaster, but I don't recall the name.

anonymous Says:
August 20th, 2012

I was in high school 72-76 and was occassionally with friends when they drove by what we called Munchkin Mansion on Donore/Tupelo. I never got out of the car but I sure heard the stories. One story was that the family next door had a tragic drowning in the pool in addition to the murder/ suicide at the mansion.

While in college, my boyfriend lived in an apartment off of Data Point. Pretty new at that time. Once, we hiked over the hill to go to the Northwest 10 movie theater. Got to the top of the hill by a bamboo fence and started hearing voices on the other side. That's when we figured out that we had come up the backside of the mansion property! Kids were exploring the old place but we didn't want to startle them in case anyone might have a weapon! On another day, my boyfriend went back (alone) and walked through the place. He said he came across what he thought was an old well and a couple of tunnels but didn't venture too far into them.

I'm wondering if anyone knew of the mansion and the stories back in the 1960s or before? Seems like everything I've read is 70s or later. I've lived in SA since mid 60s but didn't hear anything until in the 70s. The satanic stories and drug stories started sometime in the late 80s as I recall.

Interestingly, when I asked my adult step-children about the places they heard of in high school in the mid to late 1990's the first thing my step-daughter said was "Midget Mansion but it's gone now".

anonymous Says:
August 26th, 2012

I just met someone on Facebook who lived in the house in the 60s. Isn't that awesome? He grew up in the house!

anonymous Says:
August 27th, 2012

Oh man what a wonderful thread to find!
(Maybe you could adjust the text color so it's not so light for us old folks?
Thanks a lot.
But I lived in San Antonio from about 1968 to 1973. I lived in the Foothills off of Callaghan and I-10.
There used to be the big open area called the Coleche Hill? It was the area that now is a big car dealer down from Callaghan along I-10 access road toward C. North. I used to go to Colonies North grade school then Hobby Mid School and the Marshall High till during 9th grade my family moved back up north to PA where we were originally from.

But we (I) used to ride bikes to a big mansion, like a villa, the one mentioned by someone else as the place where the siamese twins had lived, out toward Huebner Rd. I used to go to church at Saint Matthews church on Wurzbach. (I actually went back and sat in the church after 40 years of time passing a few weeks ago, what a great experience! I couldn't believe how modern, timeless the church seems after all these years!) But they (Saint Matt's) have now built a new athletic field at Wurzbach and where the train tracks cross, this is in between Vance Jackson and Lockhill Selma. We used to ride our bikes out along that rr track toward Huebner, to where the old mansion was and a place to ride motorcycles someone made, like an oval homemade dirt track with a big dirt hill/jump in the center of it.
It was out there older guys would tell us stories about the Donkey Lady, how they had been out there and their car broke down and she kicked the back of it and put hoof marks in the trunk. I remember there was a guard of some sort at the mansion too, this was an old spanish style villa home, very nice in it's day. I thought they used the style to create the wall that runs along Wurzbach where the very nice high end homes are now. Good times. Thanks for all the stories.

anonymous Says:
June 17th, 2013

I have heard a much more touching story of a wealthy Texan who was on vacation or on business in California when he fell in love with a little person. A little lady who was in California for the filming of original movie The Wizard of Oz! The two fell in love, got married and he brought her home to live with him in Texas. As she was a little person he had a mansion made just for her in her size and apparently she brought many of her friends and family to live with them. They soon had a tiny self sufficient and functioning farm/ranch where they would raise their own animals in the pens and butcher their own animals...hence the bones that were found, etc. They would try to hire little people for all the home, farming and ranching needs. They lived far from the bustling metropolis of downtown San Antonio back in the day (I'm being sarcastic here) up where the Mansion was. This is why some refer to it as Munchkin' Mansion...aka Midget Mansion. They would have social gatherings for little people yearly in the mansion so other little people could meet and fall in love. They would allow some to stay and hire them. Eventually the wealthy businessman passed away as did his lovely wife, and the mansion fell into disrepair. They say most of the little people left except for those who could not or would not leave and they booby trapped the grounds for the evil kids who would go and tease them. Eventually they ran out of money for the groundskeeper and they all passed away or left...or did they????? It was long gone by the time I looked for it, but it is a bittersweet story. They were only scary to those who bothered them or went to do evil on their property.
C.

anonymous Says:
November 08th, 2013


That place off Huebner Road, between Vance Jackson & Lockhill Selma was demolished about the mid to late 1970's. My boss's Underground Utility and Blasting Co. blasted it down. Gary DeLaune was a news reporter and he was there to record it. Pretty exciting for us that watched, from a distance, of course. Don't remember if the place was a house or another type of building.

anonymous Says:
December 07th, 2013

There is no doubt this place was haunted. When walking up the hill towards the mansion I saw a tall man standing in the window watching us. When up in the attic I was looking out over the grounds and off in the distance I saw the same man standing there looking at me.Another odd thing that happened was I heard noises coming from the basement. It sounded like one of those toy monkeys with the clanging tambourines. I would take a step to go down in the basement and I would hear it. When I would tack a step back toward the door it would stop. I tried it a few more times and it would start and stop. Was too scared to go down into the basement to check it out.

anonymous Says:
August 13th, 2014

I would visit midget mansion in the mid 80s and I can assure that there were sacricial ceremonies in the basement of the place. I walked into a room off of one of the basement hallways and witnessed pevtagrams painted on walls with large amounts of bones in the room. I didn't stick around after that.. I hauled ass out

anonymous Says:
February 28th, 2015

I remember hearing stories about this when we lived there, and I was in high school. I went up there with someone once, during the day, ,and saw the ruins, and some sort of basement or pool, open to the air. Seems like it was basement,, not pool, and there was a lot of graffiti, some very odd-looking. The stories I recall were of enslaved midgets, not the murder ones I read about here. There were also rumors of satanic rituals, and I do recall some years later (80's, I think) hearing or reading a news story about evidence of animal sacrifice at the location. The place definitely had a bad "feel" to it. There was no way we would have gone at night. Probably a good thing, considering the sacrifices! The location, if I recall, was up on a hill off Fred. Rd.

anonymous Says:
March 22nd, 2015

Were there really midget bathrooms and doors? The guy on fb says his fam bought the house and there was no such thing... no murderous midget or anything... if so... I just wasted hours reading everuyhing and being scared for nothing. So much electricity wasted turning these lights on lol. -_-

anonymous Says:
February 15th, 2016

FACT MIDGET MANSION WAS LOCATED OFF I-10W NEAR THE SOUTH TEXAS BLOOD AND TISSUE CENTER.There is a side road by the tissue center that led back to it.In 1980 I was a junior at Lee H S and Halloween night that year me and some of my friends went there.This bs about it being off medical drive is just that.....bs!Everyone I knew from MacArthur and Churchill H S who visited midget mansion went to the one off I-10.Whatever was located off Medical and Donore was not it.I've lived here since 1978.

anonymous Says:
April 10th, 2017

I've lived in San Antonio my whole life. My friend, Celia and I went to Midget Mansion around 1984. There was a concrete slab, remains of a fireplace and stairs leading to an unfilled pool. I remember a scrawling of "Stairwell to hell" with an arrow pointing downwards as one descended to the empty pool. Inside the pool, there were Satanic markings and remnants of burnt items in a pile or two.
I remember feeling creeped out but exhilarated to be in such a spooky place.
Ahh...to be silly and young again!
Promitory Pointe Apartments are now at the location.

anonymous Says:
April 21st, 2017

The current cost is $25 to join the Market, but after you pay you can distribute all the apps you want under your account. Make bloggers blogging about your app, tweeple tweeting about it and tech gurus debating about it. Thanks to Burnaby mobile app, Richmond android development this PC application has become on mot phones. Even though you may not realize it right now, there is a company out there that is more than willing to do the job.

anonymous Says:
April 27th, 2017

Prezzo negozio, ordine e dove comprare il generico, al miglior prezzo tranne generico sito sicuro. Generico sicuro anche pillole di, miglior sito e generico contrassegno nonostante senza ricetta medica

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